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Wed, May 30, 2012 6:16 PM

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Camera Raw: Fujifilm X-Pro1 raw detail area change to oil painting effect

today i try the photoshop Lightroom 4.1with camera raw 7.1. I have some problem here !i was using the Fujifilm X pro 1 camera shooting in RAW with JPG format and import to the Lightroom then i saw the detail area of the raw image was change to Oil painting look compare with the original jpg !

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9 y ago

Please check out the Lightroom and Camera Raw release candidates:

http://blogs.adobe.com/lightroomjourn...

http://blogs.adobe.com/lightroomjourn...

Lightroom 4.4 RC and Camera Raw 7.4 RC include a correction to the demosaic algorithms for Fujifilm cameras with the X-Trans sensor. This specifically impacts the following cameras:

Fujifilm X-Pro1
Fujifilm X-E1
Fujifilm X100S
Fujifilm X20

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Thank you very, very much, Adobe, for listening and taking care of the issue.

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Where's the oil?

This image looks as if the chroma NR is pushed to about 50 or more.

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but i did't do anything ..is directly import the raw photo??

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Post a screenshot of your Detail (sharpening, noise-reduction) settings in ACR, then.

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Also post a screenshot of the similar area as a JPG if you have that.

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10 y ago

Can you post the original RAW and JPG files, here, using dropbox.com or yousendit.com, etc?

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10 y ago

sorry that i can't~ just wondering the copyright....

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Do you have access to the camera? If so, just shoot another picture that you don't mind sharing, here, that has a similar issue.

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10 y ago

sorry that i can't up load the original raw image ~ just wondering the copyright......
besides, i found a slightly "oil painting effect" on the beard area seems like turn on the NR with adobe Lightroom..... photo on the left is use the Fujifilm provided software to open the raw image it look normally ...any one have the same problem ?Many thank's

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Like I said in the first post. The default 25 is way too much NR for a low-ISO image. Turn down the chroma NR.

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Well, I think I have to take my words back. Downloaded the dpReview samples. And even at 0 there seems to be some chroma NR applied. The colors do bleed.

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10 y ago

one more screenshot

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10 y ago

Looking at the yellow feather in the XPro1 studio samples from dpreview:
http://www.dpreview.com/previews/fuji...
the Adobe XPro1 raw conversion seems to have very sharp edges at the default settings. Adobe also does a better job at noise-reduction than SilkyPix so the combination of sharper edges and no micro color variation may be what you're calling the oil-painting effect.

Try backing off the sharpening or changing the radius to see if you can get a conversion closer to your liking. Without have an example picture with a beard like yours have it may be difficult to give more specific advice.

It also might be that this first iteration of the XPro1 conversion by Adobe needs tweaking, and the engineers generally want a raw sample file, so even if you can't post one for everyone to see, be ready to provide a sample file for them to look at, privately.

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o..thx so much Steve Sprengel !i saw it on the test sample Dpreview have the same problem !
yep ..i always shooting portrait and the people always have beard like me ...haha so i need to provide raw sample file for them, but how can i do it privately and upload to where ?

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If someone asks, you can use www.dropbox.com or www.yousendit.com to host the file and then send a public upload link via an e-mail if an address is provided.

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9 y ago

This is definitely an issue even with noise reduction turned right down. I will post samples soon.

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9 y ago

Okay, a blog post about this here with some sample images. Also some processed with Lightroom and some processed with Silky Pix. Silky Pix is not perfect by a long shot - I definitely think it is far easier to extract dynamic range from the Raw files in Lightroom and probably the colours are nicer too, but that painterly effect, oh my, it's not good.

http://andrewnewson.co.uk/blog/lightr...

I really do hope Adobe can sort this out. I hope too that Fuji will help you as well. The X-Pro1 is a really great camera, the detail it can record is quite amazing, but without decent software it's more than a bit frustrating.

Hope you can help?

Andy

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Also, here are some RAW files and some very carefully processed JPGs.
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/37127508/Lig...

I have taken the above advice and been extremely careful with sharpening and noise reduction. Generally turning noise reduction down to zero and sharpening down to 10. This are very low settings and the effect is clearly displayed. The effect is there always, sharpening does exaggerate it though. However at these settings the images are no where near as sharp and detailed as they could and should be, IMO. This is another detail crop with those careful settings I mentioned.

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...and the full view.

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Does anyone actually get back to you about this stuff? I mean is it worthwhile? I'd be keen to know whether Adobe can admit there is a problem here and try to solve it.

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This issue was reported various places the end of May and beginning of June, when this thread was started. Here is another thread from the same time frame about Lightroom 4.1 showing the same problems:
http://forums.adobe.com/message/44533...

I suspect the lack of interaction with any Adobe employees to the few threads about this issue on their own forums is because they already knew something wasn't as good as it could be, but so many people were begging for supporting that they pushed out what they had.

Most camera sensors are very similar to camera sensors that have come before, aside from the resolution and variations in light response that Adobe needs to profile for, so support is relatively easy, usually in the next version of ACR or LR after the camera is released to the public, but this camera was not supported with the next one or two releases after it came out. It has a new arrangement of color photosites and so Adobe has probably having to invent and perfect new algorithms to convert to raw data, and this may take a few iterations to become optimal. In this thread, as late as March, Adobe Raw Engineer Eric Chan seems to be saying Fuji has not helped them develop the algorithms, so it isn't surprising something isn't quite right, yet:
http://forums.adobe.com/message/42511...

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Well I have done the right things, I have followed the channels Adobe have recommend and I have contacted Fuji directly with my list of improvements I think could be made to the camera, amongst those and very high up the list is to work with Adobe to help them support this camera. Such a promising camera but I fear without the support for raw files, sales of the camera will fall and the camera might fade away, which would be a real shame. It seems Apple will be slow on the uptake for Raw support in Aperture too. I just hope an alternative becomes available soon.

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9 y ago

Just read what's on the web in the Fujifilm forum of DPreview.com or Google it.
Fix it!

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
Raw processing of files from Fujifilm x-pro1 is flawed..