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Wed, Feb 19, 2020 1:10 AM

Camera Raw/Lightroom Classic: Support for .CR3 Camera-matching Profiles

There is currently zero support for .CR3 camera color profiles in Lightroom... especially since the newer Canon cameras use a .CR3 format... making it difficult to get work done. Only slightly surprised that this wasnt planned for beforehand since there still isnt a 64bit version of the adobe programs that i can use on the most current version of MacOS.

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1 y ago

This was buried in the thread as a post response. I have brought it out so that everyone can easily find it.

Source: https://feedback.photoshop.com/conversations/camera-raw-and-dng/what-does-camera-support-mean/5f5f46244b561a3d4275ca34 

Camera Matching Profiles: 

Support for a particular flavor of a camera’s raw file does not necessarily mean that there will be Camera Matching profiles for that camera at the time of raw file support.  It is normal for Camera Matching profiles to follow raw support by one or two releases. In the case of some camera models or camera manufacturers or in the event of major changes in file format by a particular manufacturer, that time may be greatly increased. 

Note: Not all cameras will ultimately receive Camera Matching profiles. 

ETA for any type of camera support is generally not announced in advance of its release. 

Last updated 6/2/2021: 

When new information is available, this post will be updated with that information. 

Other Options:

The free DNG Profile Tool will allow you to create a custom calibration for your specific camera. https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/digital-negative.html  If your concern is immediate access to accurate color profiling this is a good option to take control and provide an accurate profile to your camera.

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80 Points

@Rikk I realise that it takes time to develop the right profiles.
But other manufacturers, such as Capture One, already offer suitable profiles.
After all, the R5 has been on the market for over half a year now.
The Adobe Photo subscription is not cheap and I would like to see a solution a little earlier. Unfortunately, the Adobe profiles are not satisfactory.

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@Rikk Can you please give us a status update on this?  It's been well over a year and there is no clear indication that Adobe is even actively working to resolve this, despite the fact that many of the new Canon Cameras are using the .CR3 format.  Please.... it's been far too long on this.  I'm reconsidering my subscription if this is the level of support we can expect on new Cameras.  

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@Rikk 

Please @Rikk  can you assist with information on this? I am desperate to have camera matching profiles. I have tried colour fidelity and creating my own and obviously none of these are a solution. Does Adobe ever plan to release these? Ive read all the answers provided in the past, can we please if possible have a fresh answer from adobe to this? Why is it not being created? If you cant answer can you tell me how I can complain to someone who will listen and provide and answer? Many thanks for your assistance.

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I agree. It is an epic fail that Adobe is not providing these for the world's largest camera maker. That the Camera Match Colour Profiles are not available for Canon's flagship cameras (R5) is simply unbelievable. They won't even confirm that they are in development for us.

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@Rikk

It is an epic fail that Adobe is not providing these for the world's largest camera maker. That the Camera Match Colour Profiles are not available for Canon's flagship cameras is simply unbelievable. They won't even confirm that they are in development for us. 

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328 Points

3 y ago

Profiles are missing for newly added cameras. eg. Canon Poweshot SX70 HS. (And not available in the program.) This is on a Mac. Mojave 10.14.3
 The folder with camera specific profiles is missing from the folder in the library:

Macintosh HD > Library > Application Support > Adobe > Camera Raw > CameraProfiles > Camera > (MISSING) Canon PowerShot SX70 HS. ( The SX60 HS is there).
The Adobe specific profiles for SX70 are ok (in the Adobe Standard folder) (file exist).

So to sum up:

- Camera specific profiles are MISSING (eg. Camera Standard, Camera Landscape, Camera Neutral and so on.

- (Adobe Standard, Adobe Landscape etc are OK.)


I hope this was understandable.


Seems also other new cameras has missing folders. Eg. Canon PowerShot SX70 HS, Nikon CoolPix A1000, etc. Sony ILCE-6400 ?
Note: This comment was created from a merged conversation originally titled Lightroom/Camera Raw: Camera-specific profiles for Canon SX70 HS

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I am not quite sure what you are asking. Were they there before and they disappeared or are you requesting the profiles be created?
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Every other cameras have these profiles. These are missing only for the newest added cameras in version 8.1 and 8.2. You know what «Camera Standard», «Camera Landscape» profiles are ?

Seems like Adobe forgot to provide the folder with these profiles for the newest added cameras..
So I think it is a «BUG». I guess they have created them, just forgot to add them to the program update.

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Or they simply aren't ready yet. 

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Do you know that ? There are no notes about that in the ” release notes” except for the sony e6400 that notes preliminary support.
No notes for Canon SX70 HS or Nikon A1000 or Olympus OM-D E-M1X

“Note:
Preliminary support means that the image quality and raw format support for the given camera model is not yet finalized and may be updated in a future release.”

So those cameras I mentioned should have been finalised . Or?

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328 Points

Someone has edited my original post, head line and category. I don't like it. This was a “problem” for me, not an “Idea”. And it is not a request. It is an observation about a possible mistake in the application update 8.1 and 8.2.
The headline was originally:
“Lightroom Classic CC 8.2 (8.1) - Camera specific profiles are missing for newly added cameras (eg. Canon SX70 HS)”.

It was me informing Adobe about a possible problem with the application. Not a request. 

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532 Points

2 y ago

I've searched around but can't find anything regarding the camera matching profiles for this camera body for Lightroom Classic.  The file is supported, but there are only Adobe Profiles and no "matching" profiles.

Does anyone know if they exists and where I can find them if they do?

Thanks
Note: This comment was created from a merged conversation originally titled Camera Raw/Lightroom: Canon eos m6 mark II camera profiles

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Is that one of the new cameras with CR3 files? If so, see Eric Chan's (Camera Raw Engineer) comments here:  https://forums.adobe.com/thread/2650451
At present we cannot build the Camera Matching profiles due to recent file format changes.  We are working with Canon to resolve this, but it will take time.  Thanks for your patience.

Victoria Bampton a.k.a. The Lightroom Queen

www.lightroomqueen.com

Author of Adobe Lightroom Classic - The Missing FAQ and Adobe Lightroom - Edit Like a Pro books.

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532 Points

Victoria, thank you!  I had a feeling it was something along one of those lines, but strangely I found nothing when doing a search using several different terms.  "camera matching profiles" was one of them.  Obviously I missed it in some way.  thanks again

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You're very welcome. The those Adobe forums are a bit impossible to find anything at the moment since they switching software. I only spotted it as I track Eric's posts by email.

Victoria Bampton a.k.a. The Lightroom Queen

www.lightroomqueen.com

Author of Adobe Lightroom Classic - The Missing FAQ and Adobe Lightroom - Edit Like a Pro books.

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328 Points

Shouldn't they have fixed it by now ?
What about an announcement from Adobe about progression or reasons for not doing anything?

Lightroom is not for Canon users anymore, it seems. Very unfortunate.

Btw. Your link does not work.

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328 Points

A year old thread and I am still waiting for these profiles.

I wonder if Adobe can give us some more info about what is going on, please? Is there any progress? Does Canon refuse to provide you with the information you need?

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132 Points

2 y ago

After the update Lightroom classic support an EOS RP Raw file but I found that the camera matching profile for the camera is missing. Is it going to be add after the next update?

Note: This comment was created from a merged conversation originally titled Lightroom Classic: not support EOS RP camera profiles setting?

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Adobe says that Canon changed the file format, so they can't simply adapt the profiles from those of other Canon cameras.

https://forums.adobe.com/thread/2650451

Some people say they are having luck by converting to DNG and using Canon profiles that way. This may be helpful for individual images, but not for full shoots (nless you have too much time on your hands).

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It is not unusual for raw support to be released in advance of camera matching profile support.  We cannot give an ETA for when or even if the profiles will be available for any particular camera. 
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Any update on this yet?

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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Lightroom Classic - Camera matching profiles: Canon EOS RP.

Currently there are no camera matching profiles for the subject camera within Adobe Lightroom Classic.  I was told to request it here.  Please update.

Thank you!

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I know you can't tell when it will happen, however this was over a year ago.  Funny how newer cameras already have their profiles created, yet nothing on this one.  Can we get an update on whether or not this is going to happen?

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2 y ago

You don’t see an option for Adobe Standard? 

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There is an option for adobe standard but that is not "Camera Standard" as I would get with the 1DX Mk II or the 5D MkIII... I know the camera is new but they supposedly have been working on this since september?

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2 y ago

"there still isnt a 64bit version of the adobe programs that i can use on the most current version of MacOS"

Recent versions of Lightroom Classic, Photoshop, and the other Creative Cloud apps do run on Mac OS 10.15 (Catalina):
https://helpx.adobe.com/x-productkb/global/fix-macos-64-bit-compatibility-errors.html

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2 y ago

"There is currently zero support for .CR3 camera color profiles in Lightroom... especially since the newer Canon cameras use a .CR3 format"

Are you referring to the Camera Matching profiles that approximate the in-camera renderings? At least some Canons have LR camera-matching profiles. For example, here are the ones for the Canon EOS R:



Which camera(s) are you referring to?

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I'm referring to the 1DX MkIII. My apologies for leaving that out. Didnt know there were that many cameras out now using .CR3 format. The 1DX MkII has camera standard etc in LR so I guess I have to wait?

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112 Points

sold my eos r, now discovered that for for eos r6 those profiles are not availalbe, such a shame

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2 y ago

No idea specifically what the OP is referring to either. 
Not all cameras have camera matching profiles either but until we know exactly what he’s referring to....

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I'm referring to the 1DX MkIII... the MkII has camera standard etc as color profiles in LR.

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sold my eos r, now discovered that for for eos r6 those profiles are not availalbe, such a shame

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2 y ago

See the response from Adobe in this other forum thread: https://forums.adobe.com/thread/2650451
MadManChan2000 indicates work is in progress for those looking for the missing camera matching profiles for recent Canon Cameras using the CR3 format. (with exception of EOS R - which are already supported)






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That link doesn't work, what is it supposed to say?

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Unfortunately, that link refers to older content that Adobe chose not to retain when they migrated the "community" forums from the old end-of-life Jive platform to the new Khoros platform.

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Essentially it said there are technical limitations preventing them from creating the profiles for the new cameras and they need Canon's help to get around them.

Victoria Bampton a.k.a. The Lightroom Queen

www.lightroomqueen.com

Author of Adobe Lightroom Classic - The Missing FAQ and Adobe Lightroom - Edit Like a Pro books.

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Exactly. What I've also recently heard was cooperation from (in this case Canon but all manufacturers) is necessary and if Adobe could get this, they would like to provide such profiles. Once again with respect to proprietary raws, some manufacturers are making this very difficult.

Author “Color Management for Photographers" & "Photoshop CC Color Management" (pluralsight.com)

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2 y ago

Access to Camera Matching Profiles are camera specific. Exact camera. Not based on sensor, not based on in camera processor, not based on camera brand specific RAW.

So what camera do you have?

And, yes cr3 fairly new, what a March last year? So some catching up to do

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Yea.  The RP is now over a year old and no Camera matching profiles yet.  Nor do the 90D or the 1DX3 have Camera matching profiles.  I am on LR Classic 9.2.1 and Camera Raw 12.2.1.

Would be good to know if Adobe has just given up on Canon Camera matching profiles.  If so, this is a big deal and will influence of a lot of us who rely on LR. I sure hope they are going to fix it.  It makes LR produce far inferior results to the Canon JPG colors, WB, etc. and nearly impossible to match LR images with SOOC images in a set.

Let's say I shoot a session and send off a few the best images which are SOOC JPGs as early samples.  Then I pull the whole set of RAWs into LR to clone out blemishes, fix highlight and shadow issues, etc. and I can't achieve anything close to the images I already sent in.

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2 y ago

As for no 64bit. Huhhhh?? All is now 64bit, do you perhaps have some old left over stuff (being nice) stuck in your MAC?

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2 y ago

Wait a second. Are you still using perpetual license LR? i.e. v6.14?

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No. I'm using the most current version of lightroom 9.12 or whatever it is. I cannot update my mac OS because if I do then none of the adobe programs will work... ask me how that felt when I had to wipe the computer to reinstall everything in the middle of a weekend shoot...

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2 y ago

I am missing  in photoshop elements 2020 a camara profiles for my Canon Powershot G7X Mark III
Note: This comment was created from a merged conversation originally titled Camera Raw: Camera Matching Profiles for Canon Poweshot G7X Mark III Are Missing

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From inside PSE 2020 go to Help> Update and install the latest app updates.

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No update available, I think, i have the latest version:
Adobe Photoshop Elements Version: 18.0 (20200120.m.139570)  x64, Camera Raw 12.0.0.321.
I tried to update CameraRaw to 12.2. but it seems, Elements don't support this version. After going trought  update process, Elements shows still CameraRaw 12.0. and in Program ordner there is only Camera Profil for G7X Mark II, not Mark III

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The Canon G7X MKIII is listed as being supported in Camera Raw 11.4 and later. Are you shooting raw files with .CR3 extension or JPG files? Only raw files have Adobe Raw and Camera Matching profiles.

https://helpx.adobe.com/camera-raw/kb/camera-raw-plug-supported-cameras.html

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After further investigation it appears PSE 2020 currently only supports Camera Raw v12.0, which has no Camera Matching profiles. Only the Adobe Standard and Adobe Raw variants are available. A future update should include ACR 12.2, which has the Canon G7X MKIII Camera Matching profiles.

https://helpx.adobe.com/camera-raw/kb/camera-raw-compatible-applications.html

EDIT: I just checked PS 21.1.1 with ACR 12.2 and LR 9.2, which also uses ACR 12.2. There are no Camera Matching profiles in either of these installations. Adobe may have decided not to offer Camera Matching profiles or has placed creating them at a very low priority. I have the Canon G9X MKII and it has six camera matching profiles that emulate the in-camera picture style settings. I'm going to change the title to 'Camera Matching' to better define what's needed.

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G7X Mark III release was 08/2019. I found also there is no camera Matching profile for Canon EOS RP, released 03/2019. It seems, Adobbe needs minimum 1 Year to create actual Camera Profiles.

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202 Points

2 y ago

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Need Canon 1DX3 Camera Matching Profiles.

There are no Canon matching profiles for the 1DX3 (or for that matter for the RP, 90D and 1DX3 and others too but these are the three bodies that affect me).  Will they ever be delivered?  When?  This is a serious impediment to pro and semi-pro photogs.

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698 Points

2 y ago

 The following is the list of Canon cameras currently using the CR3    format and their release dates:
    EOS M50 / Kiss M    04/2018
    EOS R    09/2018
    PowerShot SX70 HS    09/2018
    EOS RP    02/2019
    EOS Rebel SL3 / 250D / Kiss X10    04/2019
    Powershot G5 X Mark II    07/2019
    PowerShot G7 X Mark III    07/2019
    EOS M6 Mark II    08/2019
    EOS 90D    08/2019
    EOS M200    09/2019
    EOS 1DX Mark III    01/2020
    850D / T8i / Kiss X10i    02/2020

Of these only the EOS R has "Camera Matching" profiles in LR/ACR and this feat was accomplished by Adobe taking advantage of the fact that the 5DIV and the EOS R have the same sensor and "rebranding" old 5DIV profiles. Adobe has said that the CR3 code has presented extraordinary resistance to their efforts to understand it  - despite the fact that analysts like Phil Harvey, Alexey Danilchenko and others have published quite a lot of Open Source data.

It is hard  to understand Adobe's neglect in this area.


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"It is hard  to understand Adobe's neglect in this area."

I very much agree with that !

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