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Is there any possibility of Adobe Camera Raw return to the old efficient interface?

I see people who really work with ACR absolutely disliked the new interface and I tried some times but it is impossible. Crop doesn't make sense, buttons are difficult to access, repeat spot adjustments brush in more than one photo is impossible,  there is no zoom button, just to list a few program mistakes. The interface completely different we can get used to but why???? 

In another discussion someone said it would return to normal, but it didn't.

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"In another discussion someone said it would return to normal, but it didn't."

 

Because that person was wrong:

 

https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/camera-raw-12-3-how-to-revert-ui-to-older-version-one-with-vertical-filmstrip?topic-reply-list[settings][filter_by]=all&topic-reply-list[settings][page]=3#topic-reply-list

 

Official Adobe reply about the NEW UI:

 

"At this time, Adobe is not planning to revert the UI to the 12.2.1 state nor are there plans to offer both interfaces as an option in the future. That said, we are determined to fix bugs and improve workflows within the new user interface."

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You are not alone in hoping for improvement that results in a return to the efficiency of the previous design.  This thread about to be tucked away in an old one..

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Hidden in an old thread, because Adobe doesn't want to hear it.

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And the "accepted solution" is certainly not the "generally accepted solution"

 

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@andrew_rodney There is another Adobe representative saying the same:

 

https://community.adobe.com/t5/camera-raw/need-a-download-link-to-acr-12-2-1-previous-version/td-p/11215775?page=1

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"There is another Adobe representative saying the same"

 

Saying the same what, that the GUI is going to revert?

They are NOT saying the GUI will be reverted and in fact, it's not going to be as expressed by multiple Adobe team members in the URL I provided. 

 

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"I never said there was no outside guidance."

Here's a copy and paste of what you said, again it isn't so:

 

"To my knowledge, not once has Adobe reached out to the community regarding the new ACR.

 

Indeed, Adobe did reach out to some in the community but you were not part of that outreach. I was. Others were. Those are the facts. Now your knowledge has been updated to what actually occurred. 

Did you read my work history?

Here's mine: I've been beta for Adobe since Photoshop 2.5. I've coauthored 3 Photoshop Plug-ins. I was and still am on the ACR pre-release team. There were MANY disucssions with many outside Adobe, actual members of this and  other Adobe and imaging communities that voiced their opinions of the new  direction. Anyone with a lick of experience doing this kind of work knows that not all opinions are used for the final product. 

This issue has touched a nerve like no other in my 15+ years of experience using PS 

Well some here have had PS experience since the 2nd month it shipped in 1990. Doesn't change how Adobe develops products, and how Adobe does involve outsiders in testing the product. Perhaps you need to submit a request for pre-release for Adobe, perhaps you'll be accepted. You can then voice your opinion as the product under goes development but you'll find, your opinion may not be enough to steer a product a fixed way. Maybe you should instead consider producing a plug-in for Photoshop, or a standalone raw processing product. Then you can produce it any way you desire.   

Sometimes being successful also means having to admit that you made a mistake.

Adobe has stated they will fix bugs. Your opinion is, the new direction is a mistake. Other's may feel that way too. But there's a very large team inside Adobe, and an outside community that provide feedback and the product shipped in a new direction due to those people's opinions which differ from yours. 

 

You don't always get what YOU want. 

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If you carefully read my post you reference above, it will be clear to you from the questions I suggested that I'm talking about now that it has been released - not about before the general population started using it.  It is never too late to change course.

 

I'm not sure why you insist on lecturing.  I'm trying to help Adobe now.  You're trying to defend their past decision.  They are not the same thing.

 

Really!?  I don't always get what I want?  What a surprise.  :-)

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 It is never too late to change course.

Carefully read Adobe's statement about what's going to happen. You are not getting what you want. 

 

Maybe decide to get involved if you want to help, IF invited back to pre-release, understanding the main role isn't to play UI designer but to hunt for bugs and when asked (because the team does so), make UI suggestions, to make your opinions heard, then understand, they may not be taken. 

Bottom line: Adobe asked people outside Adobe in this and other communities. You'd have know that too if you stuck around...... 

 

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Sorry, but you have no idea what I want.  You're inferring from my posts that I want Adobe to go back to the old ACR UI.  That is not at all what I want.  Re-read everything I've posted on this topic, in this thread and others.  You won't find me advocating for going backwards.

 

I have advocated for Adobe to take seriously the negative feedback they have received from the general customer population since the new UI release and carefully consider doing something about it.  I've also asked for performance improvements and the return of the ability to toggle the effect of brush, gradient, and radial tool edits.  That's all.

 

Bottom line: You don't have to lecture me on how beta programs work.  I've run dozens of them. 

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I have advocated for users to take seriously the positive feedback they have received from the general customer population since the new UI release. Need to see them?

 

Bottom line: You don't have to lecture me on how beta programs work.  I've run dozens of them. 

Bottom line, you've run none for Adobe and you were in one for a couple of months, then stopped.  

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"Sorry, but you have no idea what I want. " - Rodney and Beta Co are mostly LR users so they give no shit about pure ACR users... that's what Adobe got wrong with the program - they had to use people who don't use LR ...

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I feel your pain. Hopefully Adobe will come through on their undertaking to "improve (ie "restore") workflows (that they broke) within the new user interface" - although I'm having my doubts given the length of time this abomination is continuing.

 

In the meantime some have found the following work-arounds helpful:

 

1. Crop Tool - When you've cropped the image, don't press enter. That way it stays in crop mode and you can crop other images without having to go into crop mode each time. Just press enter when you've cropped the last image.

 

2. Zoom Tool - Until we get zooming with the mouse wheel again (how the "heck" that's not been implimented beggars belief) the best workk around appears to be using scrubby zoom.

 

3. Best work around I can suggest for accessing panels is to memorise their shortcuts.

 

4. No advice for the repeat spot adjustments unfortunately. 

 

Hope this is helpful and that I managed to get my reply in before your comment is "merged & closed" (aka "gagged").

 

 

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Repeat Spot Adjustments? 
Do you mean Sync? You can. 
you can also Copy and paste settings AND Customize WHAT is copied and pasted: Command-Option-C, 

Command-Option-V

(Control-Alt- on PC). 

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Repeat Spot Adjustments? 

 

I don't use spot adjustments in ACR but my understanding is that currently if one tries to sync them then it doesn't maintain the same source; so results are inconsistent.

 

Do you mean Sync?

No.

 

you can also Copy and paste settings AND Customize WHAT is copied and pasted: Command-Option-C, 

Command-Option-V

(Control-Alt- on PC)

Yep - but I don't think that's ultimately any different to what's achieveable via an alt-S sync.

 

 

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Question: For those of us who want to revert to the classic version of 12.2, is it correct we also have to go back in time to Bridge version 9.1 because the new Bridge does not open jpgs in Camera Raw? 

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@laurdod Yes, you will and can go back to a version of Bridge that also supports the older version of ACR. Described above.

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But not v9, see above for correct version!

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Adobe: This has gone on for 4 months now. When are we going to fix to the workflow issues that have arisen since ACR 12.3. 

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The new interface is awful. The least Adobe could do is give us the choice of interface.

The fact that they seem to have already ruled that out is a measure of how much they care about their customers I am afraid. 😔

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The new interface is not for me and the least Adobe could do is offer a choose between the previous interface and the new one. The fact that they don’t intend to speaks volumes about how much they give a dam about their customers.

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I agree with both versions of your post! ;-)

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I've downloaded the previous version again. There are a lot of mouse working bugs in ACR13

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I would so love to see them rollback to the previous way more efficient interface. I'm using Capture One most of the time now, purely as a result of this awful design. I really thought they might listen to feedback. Saying we can rollback to a version with a finite lifespan is not a solution, or listening to feedback.

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Does anyone know why on earth, they took out of the most unique features of ACR. The old style crop and levelling tool that was a dream to work with Especially as alot of my work requires very precise adjustments to the horizon. 

The new tool in ACR 13 is so clumsy and clunky to work with and very hard to do minor precise adjustments. 

Please can we have the option for the traditional style crop box. 

Note: This comment was created from a merged conversation originally titled New Crop Feature Camera Raw

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This criticism of ACR will disappear in 5 ... 4 ... 3 ...

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Levelling tool is hidden away within the crop, with rotate image etc.  More clicks required than before, again.

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Critical messages will never be deleted. What does happen is that messages get merged with threads that deal with the same problem, to keep the messages together rather than have them scattered over dozens of similar threads.

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Sometimes threads are merged into "closed" "solved" or "locked" threads.

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Does anyone know why on earth, they took out of the most unique features of ACR.

Yes.

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I am still using old interface of ACR although I hopeful tried (unsuccessful) the new one several times but that is impossible.

Now I guess what will happen when I buy a new camera that previous ACR doesn't support Raw files? 

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@renatonavarro You can convert that to DNG with the free Adobe DNG Converter  if you are really desperate to keep the old interface.

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Actually I am not desperate. I become desperate to revert to the old one every time I give a chance to try the new one. Thank you for the suggestion. I will try to include this extra time in the price for my clients.

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I don't like the updated interface either. So many small changes that don't make sense nor bring any value but are there for you to get frustrated, especially crop and zooming/panning.

Performance and interface drawing speed is also poor.

For now, I reverted back to ACR 12.1 but it's shame a had to do that.

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