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Photography: Raw File Support - Requests and Information?

I just got a new camera and Camera Raw and/or Lightroom does not recognize the raw files, has no camera-specific profiles or has some features not enabled. What do I do?

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10 m ago

While switching between shots from an X-PRO3 and X100V I noted .RAF files from the X-PRO3 are missing the camera matching v2 profiles which are available on the X100V.  These cameras share a sensor so should share these camera profiles.

System info below:

Lightroom Classic version: 10.2 [ 202103041821-226a1211 ]
License: Creative Cloud
Language setting: en
Operating system: Windows 10 - Enterprise Edition
Version: 10.0.18363
Application architecture: x64
System architecture: x64

Note: This comment was created from a merged conversation originally titled Camera Raw/Lightroom Classic: Fujifilm X-PRO3 Missing v2 Camera Profiles

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Support for a particular flavor of a camera’s raw file does not necessarily mean that there will be Camera Matching profiles for that camera at the time of raw file support. It is normal for Camera Matching profiles to follow raw support by one or two releases. In the case of some camera manufacturers or the event of major changes by a particular manufacturer, that time may be greatly increased. 

Note: Not all cameras will ever receive a set of Camera Matching profiles.

https://feedback.photoshop.com/conversations/camera-raw-and-dng/what-does-camera-support-mean/5f5f46244b561a3d4275ca34

Author “Color Management for Photographers" & "Photoshop CC Color Management" (pluralsight.com)

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9 m ago

DNG is the RAW converter not found in Photoshop or LR but everyone downloads it and uses it.  Photoshop would be too bulky if it had every converter from every camera make.  Each camera make needs to provide this and they will if you call them to get theirs.  Everybody has known this since 2016.  Don't know why this hasn't gotten to this group yet.  

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Nothing you said here is true. 

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Bill is right. DNG is a file format, Steve, NOT a "RAW converter". The conversion is done by an algorithm that has to be either given to Adobe, like Sony does, or hacked by them for some other manufacturers, like Canon.

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I think it's time for photographers to stand up and reject any camera that requires custom built RAW processing algorithms or tethering software. The camera market is collapsing and it is time for us to stop being pushed around. There's no excuse for it. Just say no.

This is not the fault of Adobe, Capture One, DxO...

  

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Well, excuse me Carlos, RAW is also a file format but it helps you to convert RAW to TIFF and you need it for that.  You are converting from 16 bit RAW to 8 bit TIFF in Adobe.  BTW, your printer will not accept anything less than 8 bit photos which is another reason you convert from RAW to TIFF.  So you are converting your file format to match your printer output. 

Maybe your LR doesn't have a conversion from RAW to TIFF but Adobe Photoshop does in C6 or later.  If you can't afford the latest Photoshop, find a use C6 Photoshop.  Most of us have it. So instead all of you who only have Elements or LR need to use DNG. 

It's not Adobe who is at fault, its your camera makers who should furnish a conversion with the camera.  They did this earlier but not for the past 10 years.  

Steve Lehman, mcse

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I have the latest LrC/Photoshop, I do the Photography Plan. I don't know what I said that made you think I didn't. (I also give a "Photo Tech Talk" Zoom program in the Chicago area).

"RAW" is actually dozens of different file formats not just one, for each type of camera format (CR2, CR3, ARW, etc.). I don't understand Canon's reasoning for not providing it to Adobe, it (among many other corporate decisions) makes them look bad. Another reason I left.

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9 m ago

Carlos, 

RAW is a file format related to your camera's format, BUT you mention only Canon camera formats - BUT RAW also covers ALL camera formats not just Canon.  For example NEF  is the RAW file format inside a Nikon camera and has a relative terminology when converting it from NEF also.  As a software engineer I cover everything and on a technical basis - a lot more than camera file formats.  But when using RAW, it is actually relating to the camera formats from that camera.  When this forum speaks about formats we are also relating to your camera's format, but when I speak about them, I am covering ALL camera's formats. 

In my photo business website, as a courtesy, we list all file formats known to the world, but in one section that relates to camera formats, we list only camera RAW as file formats.  I will copy its list to you so you can see what we are speaking about as file formats relating to which camera as the list has all camera formats that are known as RAW files.  It's a long list but I think it's pertinent for this discussion to show Carlos this list so that he understands file formats. Carlos, this is needed because twice now you have illustrated that you only know Canon file format and don't know RAW as much as a software engineer knows it.  You are not exactly right about RAW not being a file format.  RAW relates to the file format which is produced by a type of camera but RAW also relates to all manufactured camera's file format.  This list is compiled and used by many of us in another forum which discusses RAW in more depth - more so than anyone of you who discuss it as in relationship to LR.  Many of you will argue about LR not being an add-on to Photoshop Elements but it was sold in a pair with Elements with LR being an add-on.  This is why Elements users refer to LR as an add-on but you guys do not because you do not use Elements and you think you have been shorted software in LR and cannot produce file formats or conversion from LR.  I have said before that you need Elements or Photoshop to do this but I get arguments each time I say it.  This list is not something that will end arguments but it will help you to better understand camera file formats which all of you refer to as "RAW".  They are but RAW relates to all file formats produced by any camera.  (where it says 16 bit converts to 8 bit, is when Photoshop will convert any file to 8 bit before it goes to a printer which printers will always need an 8 bit file to print.  Printers will refuse to print a 16 bit file because it is too small or compressed more so than a JPG file.   

  • CR2/CRW2 - CANON - RAW only to Canon;

Shoot CR2 (RAW) or shoot low res. in JPG;
High res CR2 converts to TIFF, PDF, CRW;
CRW in Photoshop is same as CR2 in Canon;
CRW is very limited, utilizes images in TIFF only;
Software engineers in a common blog agree
that CR2, CRW, RAW are the same as TIFF;  
RAW in 16 bit saves little space on a drive;
TIFF in  8 bit is bulky but made for printing;
Convert 16 bit RAW to 8 bit TIFF for printing;

  • NEF - NIKON 16 bit RAW converts to 8 bit TIFF;
  • SR2/SRF - SONY RAW, ARW(alpha-RAW)
  • RAF - FUJIFILM RAW & JPEG same as JPG
  • ORF - OLYMPUS RAW Master-2 photo file format
  • RW2 - PANASONIC RAW native only to Panasonic
  • DNG - PENTAX RAW - DNG converts RAW in Adobe
  • DNG - CASIO - DNG converts RAW in Adobe
  • DCF  - Digital Camera Format for ACDSee/XnView
  • RAW - RAW is a compressed file in a camera;

Printers will not print compressed RAW files;
A 16 bit camera RAW file is compressed 50%.
16 bit (compressed) will not print in its state;
You need to convert RAW files to 8 bit to print;
The printer will convert 16 bit RAW to 8 bit in Adobe.
16 bit to 8 bit will pop-up when pressing "print".  
TIFF as an 8 bit uncompressed will print best.

 

Steve Lehman, mcse

(Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer)

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Steve, you miss the fundamental issue. Every raw format is different and for no good reason except to make life difficult for photographers and photo editing software vendors who have to build special converters for each one. Even the Nikon Z II formats are different than the Z I formats. Why? It's just BS.

 

So if someone buys the very latest camera and they can't process the images with a product from Adobe, Capture One, DxO or whatever, the buyer deserves a dope slap for not realizing that it's going to be months before the software vendors can catch up.

 

We need to stop blaming the software companies for something that is the fault of the camera makers. 

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@steve_lehman Perhaps you didn't recognize ARW, that's the sony RAW format I mentioned, so you are incorrect that "you mention only Canon camera formats". I'm not reading your whole post, I'm bored already, I'm not interested in "being right", and I'm done with this discussion. End of line.

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Me too! I am so tired of getting the same question and answers from different people on this subject and would like to stop receiving notifications from this endless thread.

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Click Unfollow under the top post.

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I only see the option to follow :(

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9 m ago

DNG is a file format and it is a RAW file - but it's more as a converter as it can convert RAW (any camera's RAW file) to any other RAW file format, such as TIFF, as both are a lossless file format.  RAW which comes from a camera will be in 16 bit format because all camera manufacturers want to conserve memory by making every image a compressed file (16 bit).  So when you convert from a RAW file to TIFF file you can (not automatically) convert the file to an 8 bit TIFF file format.  Photoshop gives you a pop-up message as you click on print when a file is 16 bit, it asks you if you want to convert the 16 file format to 8 bit and you do want to if you want it to print.  

SL

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I wish I could correct my typos here after we post our 'writes'.  In the other forum we can.  

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9 m ago

Bill, I agree with you.  I think we crossed our posts when posting at the same time just now. 

But here's the problem:  Everybody wants the camera manufactures to give us the converter from camera-RAW to an Adobe format so we can process our pictures.  Problem:  every format would need to be cookie-cutter standard as an exact same format for that to happen.  We'd only end up with ONE file format.  We do not have a cookie-cutter format other than DNG which will be known to all cameras and Adobe too.  What is native to each camera cannot be native to Adobe's file formats.  That's because, if were, everybody will be using the same memory sticks for all cameras, and camera manufacturers want to sell memory sticks only indigenous to their make of camera.  It makes them more money to keep a person using that same camera make.  

It's the same for Chevy or Ford which sells after-market parts.  What is a real Ford part makes more money for Ford or another part-store's generic product makes them more money. 

If Ford sold their cars for what they are actually worth we'd be paying 50% more than their asking price, or around $55,000 and that car will never break down as it is blueprinted to perform perfectly, for as long as anyone owns that car, or even 25 years as a end-point for age on a car.  But instead all car manufacturers sell parts which will make them more money so they make a profit.  They do not make a profit when selling cars for the asking price.  They break-even. 

It's called uniform marketing.  It's blue printing products.  If we had that, no company would make anything as a profit.  

In the 1960's I dated the daughter of the VP of Boeing in Seattle (during highs school).  His name was Lloyd Ford (I dated Colleen which now resides in Florida and we never married).  He had a 1968 Mercury with a 508 engine which was not from Ford.  It was a Boeing blue printed engine.  It could never be repaired by any conventional car repair and he claimed he would never need service beyond oil refills, etc.  Aside that it ran like a hot-rod, it was totally quiet and ran perfectly from what I could see and hear.  It would never need parts.  Even the alternator was made by Boeing for this car.  It was an experiment as Boring ran a lot of those back then.  Lloyd was a machinist who would always stop at the old tavern on his way home from work to visit his blue collar workers he thought he left behind.  Me and Colleen would stop by the tavern to get money from him for our dinner each day.  (in high school we didn't have a job)  He didn't want to leave the tavern for us so we went to him each day.  On my 20th birthday he invited me to the tavern, then gave the bartender two hundred dollar bills and told him "he's 21 today, ok?"  So we had a beer together.  

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Proprietary raw documents serves no one. 

Author “Color Management for Photographers" & "Photoshop CC Color Management" (pluralsight.com)

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8 m ago

I just bought a Nikon Z6 and I am unable to import NEF raw files into Lightroom.  Below is the version I have: 

Lightroom version: 6.10.1 [ 1117303 ]

How can import these files?  Please advise.  Thanks!  

Todd 

Note: This comment was created from a merged conversation originally titled Issues downloading NEF files from the Nikon Z6

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You could upgrade to a version of Lightroom Classic that does support the Z6 -- version 8.1 or later -- or you could use Adobe's free DNG converter to convert the Z6's raw files to DNG raw files which are compatible with LR 6.x.

https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/digital-negative.html#downloads

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8 m ago

I would like to be able to Download HEIF files from my Sony a1 Camera into Lightroom classic and edit them.

Could you please make this happen?

Note: This comment was created from a merged conversation originally titled Sony Alpha 1 camera HEIF files

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Edward, I think your request may have been accidentally merged into the wrong conversation, since this one is about raw support, and LR already supports raws from the Sony a1.

Please add your constructive opinion to this feature request:

https://feedback.photoshop.com/conversations/camera-raw-and-dng/lightroomcamera-raw-support-heif-created-by-devices-other-than-ios/5f5f46234b561a3d4275ad3c 

Be sure to click Like and Follow below the first post, which will make it a little bit more likely Adobe will prioritize the feature.

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8 m ago

The "Enhancement Details" is not a useful solution for those of us who use Fujifilm cameras and their X-TRANS sensors. Will there be full support for these sensors in the next Lightroom release (s)? The competing software works them (the X-TRANS) like any RAW, Adobe should be able to do it the same or better.

Note: This comment was created from a merged conversation originally titled The Fujifilm RAW disaster

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7 m ago

My HEIC photos from my Galaxy S21 are shown greyed in the Lightroom Classic Library.

We've been trying with the support but it seems that the Samsung HEIC is not supported in lightroom classic. But it is in Photoshop and bridge !

Understandable....

Note: This comment was created from a merged conversation originally titled Samsung S21 Heic Photos and LRC

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6 m ago

My new Nikon Z fc camera is not currently supported by Lightroom Classic.  I love using Lightroom and am really hoping it will be in the near future.  Is that something that is likely to happen in the near future

Note: This comment was created from a merged conversation originally titled Jenni

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No doubt that camera will be added in an update.

Johan W. Elzenga,

http://www.johanfoto.com

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Finally! Waiting x) !

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6 m ago

Le format .NEF de mon appareil NIKON Z fc n est pas lu par le logiciel.

Va t il y avoir une mise à jour rapide.

Cordialement

Note: This comment was created from a merged conversation originally titled Mise à Jour

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6 m ago

Hi

Can you look at adding support for Nikon Zfc NEF files, I am unable to Import them into any Lightroom version or the DNG converter, they are just listed as unsupported. This is a recently released Nikon camera, based on the Z50 that is supported.

Thank you

Tony

Note: This comment was created from a merged conversation originally titled Nikon Zfc NEF Files

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Give it about 2 months.  This is pretty common.  In the meantime, there is always Nikon NX Studio.

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It's Nikon's fault for refusing to share the sensor specs, you should be complaining to them.

  

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6 m ago

I normally use LR Classic on a daily basis.  I just purchased the  Nikon Z fc (a relatively new camera model).  As of this time, the NEF RAW digital format files from this camera cannot be imported into LR.  Can I please ask that the RAW digital file format from this camera model be added to the "Cameras supported by Camera Raw." 

Note: This comment was created from a merged conversation originally titled Add Nikon Z fc to "Cameras supported by Camera Raw"

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Give it about 2 months.  Try Nikon NX Studio in the meantime.  It is free.

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It will be supported.

Author “Color Management for Photographers" & "Photoshop CC Color Management" (pluralsight.com)

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@Marc Feldesman Thank you Marc. I have the Nikon software but I’m not as familiar with it as with LR. The online tech support person at Adobe recommend using Adobe’s DNG converter and then import the Z fc’s converted files into LR. 

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Good news, Aug 16 2021 update to Adobe for Nikon Z fc owners:

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5 m ago

Is Nikon zfc files supported in Lightroom mobile for iPad and iphone?

Note: This comment was created from a merged conversation originally titled Nikon zfc files support in Lightroom mobile.