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Wed, Jul 2, 2014 10:28 AM

Camera Raw/Lightroom Classic: Fuji X-Trans Support?

Is Fuji X-Trans support being worked on?I appreciate that the support is better now than it was, but the reality is that Lightroom is still a long way behind other RAW developers, all of which are less well funded and with smaller teams working on the software.Lightroom has been the leader in RAW processing an image cataloging as far back as I can recall; but with the Fuji X-Trans files many people I know are leaving Adobe Lightroom for one of the many other developers, all of which are producing far better results than Adobe Lightroom.Ones I have personally tested are as follows: Iridient DeveloperPhoto NinjaLightZoneCapture OneApertureSilkyPixRaw TherapeeIridient is very good, and this is a piece of software made by a single man.My question is, if he can get it right, why can't Adobe? They have been leaders in innovation for many years but it seems in some areas now they are falling behind - I have never seen so many people leave a major developer for smaller independent ones, but to Fuji users (both enthusiasts and professionals) it's a pretty simple decision when you compare results.So all I'd like to know is if my patience sticking with Lightroom is justified, and whether a solution is being worked on - or will always be worked on. Or is it a case that the users wanting such a change are not enough to support such work.

Official Solution

Adobe Administrator

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402 Points

3 y ago

Hi Everyone,

We are happy to announce the release of Lightroom Classic CC 8.2. With this release, we’ve introduced a new feature called Enhanced Details.

Photographers using cameras featuring X-Trans sensors should see an improved rendering of their Fuji raw files.

To learn more about how this new feature works check out the blog post:  https://theblog.adobe.com/enhance-details/

Cheers,
Carissa

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OMG! They did it, they actually did it! 

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166 Points

Details at 100% still look pretty watercolour awful.

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248 Points

Is a real solution still being worked on? Enhance Detail is, as far as I am concerned, is not a real solution because it takes extra clicks and time for every photo. And the new files that are created take up extra space. Then I have to spend extra time deleting those files later. 

So, I just wanna know if a real solution is being worked on?

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As a Fuji X-T3 user I sympathize but the real problem is the silly sensor which is Fuji's fault. Contrary to what some "believe", all image editing software has problems with the sensor except DxO which does not even attempt to support it. 

   

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Yeah, honestly I have been thinking this too. I think Fuji is really messing up by insisting on using X-Trans sensors.

But if I say that in a forum like r/fujix or r/fujifilm people get so defensive. Some blame me for pixel peeping (I sell prints, so pixel peeping is important IMO) and some say they don’t see the issues. 

I am willing to bet most people who say they don’t see the issues have never tried a Fujifilm camera with a normal sensor. And maybe not much experience with other cameras with normal sensors.

Also, I bet Fuji knows that X-Trans is not good. Why else would they not make X-Trans sensors for their medium format cameras.

Seriously, think about it. X-Trans is supposed to be amazing, it’s why they use them in their highest end X cameras. If they truly believed that, WHY wouldn’t they make medium format X-Trans sensors?

They know it’s not good. I just wish more Fuji users also knew.

Btw, I HAVE compared X-Trans to normal. I have an X-T2 and an X-T100. The 100 gives me MUCH nicer files. And they are smaller. Smh 

I hope people start contacting Fujifilm about this. Like, go to the website, go to where you can contact them and send an email to their headquarters. Tell them you wish they would stop using X-Trans. I hope people also start doing this on social media. I’ve tried. But I’m just one person, easy to ignore. 

(Sorry, that became a rant...)

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2K Points

7 y ago

Some samples







Here is a great example X-T1 latest version of Lightroom vs the now discontinued Apple Aperture. too large to embed.

https://forums.adobe.com/servlet/Jive...

And an animated gif - again latest version 5.5 vs Iridient.

https://forums.adobe.com/servlet/Jive...

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456 Points

7 y ago

Hi!

I like to hang on to this Post, providing some more pics... It is two screenshots, comparing the best that Lightroom can deliver vs. the best that Aperture can deliver.

I am talking about sharpness and details. Lightroom results are absolutely embarrassing. The other ones, named in the first post, are different too, but only fractional.

Here my Screenshots. Please download for full resolution:



The Adobe Development ist very blurry and looks like painted with watercolors. I am very disappointed with lightroom.

Can we get an official statement from adobe how they think to solve this issue?

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456 Points

7 y ago

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
Fujifilm X-Trans RAW Files are not useable in Lightroom nor Photoshop! Blurry and painterly images resulting..


Hello! The Rendering of Fujifilm X-Trans RAW Files is unacceptable. It s very blurry and looks like a painting, missing fine details and sharpness comparing to EVERY other Raw developer.

I am not the only one who is complaining to this.

Will Adobe take care of this issue?

And will there be an official Statement how this issue will be solved?

Is someone working on it?

Please, answer to this post in any way. I bought Lightroom, short time ago. I am heavily disappointed an cannot use Lightroom for my pictures.

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2K Points

7 y ago

Also discussed here in the Lightroom Forum:

https://forums.adobe.com/message/6446...

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2K Points

7 y ago

Can an admin move this to the problems section perhaps?

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590 Points

7 y ago

Well, I've been using LightRoom for more than 5 years and was satisfied until I changed my heavy DSLR stuff with small and good performing Fuji X-T1. Since I swathed to X-Trans sensor I am disappointed with how LR shows details. It is awful and terrible.
And now I am using Iridient Developer which suits my needs, but I don't have such usability as I had in LR.

Here are the samples made with my Fuji X-T1, strobe lights and processed in ID and LR 5.6, the original RAW file can be found here http://www.mediafire.com/download/9z1...




Full size jpegs can be found here
Iridient Developer http://www.mediafire.com/view/pk9c59p...
LightRoom 5.6 http://www.mediafire.com/view/gd7b3sd...

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2K Points

7 y ago

1 month and not a single reply or care in the world from Adobe.

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100 Points

7 y ago

I think about to leave LR

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590 Points

7 y ago

When shifting to X-T1 I start using Iridient Developer and stop using LR. If Adobe can't manage and organize the processing of X-Trans censor's images at the same quality as ordinary censors, I also quit LR and all my colleagues will do the same.

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456 Points

7 y ago

Hey there! I like to Inform everybody here, that i got a request for more pictures to Research. That is Not much, but i think someone at adobe is interestet and we have his attention. I uploaded 8 more pictures to The adobe Servers, now i am waiting for Feedback.

I will get in Touch with you, when i have more news. I will use Apples Aperture as Long as i can, here i have a Stunning Image quality. But i like to have a plan B. So i am pushing adobe, improving that mess with lightroom

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Wonder why they didn't ask me, the topic creator? Or why they didn't publicly ask everyone else participating in this forum? Or even the general X-Trans community. God knows there are enough forum posts, blog posts and examples on the web.

Contacting you secretly doesn't do much for customer confidence.

Surely it would be more beneficial if they asked the wider community for examples / files / feedback and made a statement as to whether it was an issue they were willing to work on or not.

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284 Points

Did you already get a feedback from Adobe in the meantime?

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100 Points

7 y ago

I'm out. $2500 worth of Fuji X-T1 and lens and I can't process the RAW files. Time to move to Capture One Pro.

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456 Points

7 y ago

So, I am back for a finally comment:

I got an answer from an Adobe guy. He told me that this is a known issue with the raw converter (no news to us) and that they are working with "high Pressure" on it.

bla bla.

I had the chance to talk to a manager of fujifilm on photokina.

He told me, that fujifilm is providing all the information to adobe that they need to improve raw converting, but adobe makes nothing out of it.

Maybe they wait for the next version of lightroom, to make more money. But that is just a guess.

Fact is, adobe has all they need, but they are making nothing out of it. So i am out to. I go on work with Apples Aperture as long as i could and i wait for the new photos app for mac. this one will be free and uses the best raw converter so far, the apple one.

Capture one is ok, but the image quality is not as good as apple and the workflow is very different and not as good as with aperture.

i will quit using adobe products. the monthly plans and the poor image quality with x-trans sensors make that decision easy to me.

bye!

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72 Points

7 y ago

Same here.

After some testing I've switched to Capture One Pro.
I didn't align the rendering but you can see an example on one of my own pictures below :
LR 5.5


C1 Pro 7.2.3


LR/C1 comparison 100% crop
http://reho.st/view/self/72a5ea4ab70e...

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456 Points

7 y ago

Adobe -> "World Leading" Company
Iridient Developer -> One-Man-Company

Ridicolous!