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Wed, Oct 25, 2017 6:35 PM

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Lightroom Classic CC: Restore Import from external catalog over LAN?

After the update to Lightroom Classic CC on both of my systems I am not able to import from the catalog on the other computer via ethernet. I get an error message that the external catalog seems to be a non valid Lightroom-catalog. On the other computer the catalog works.

I run Lightroom on an iMac and a MacBook. Usually I import pictures to my MacBook to sort and develop them - for example when I am traveling. From time to time I use the functionality "import from another catalog" on my iMac to get the new pictures from the catalog which is stored on the MacBook via LAN/WLAN. In the previous version this was working fine. Since the update to Lightroom Classic CC I see the error message above.

When I copy the catalog and the negative files from my MacBook into a folder on my iMac I am able to import them into the iMac catalog. So the issue should have to do with access via network.

Official Solution

Adobe Administrator

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10.9K Messages

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143.5K Points

3 y ago

The team has carefully reviewed the outstanding issue regarding import from an external catalog over a LAN and will not be making any further changes in current (7.x) functionality or planned future functionality in this regard. Though we realize it may have been possible to do this in previous versions, Lightroom was not designed nor intended to allow the import of an external catalog over a LAN.

Thank you for your patience while we researched this request.

(Note: edited to include versions beyond 7.x)

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So when will 8.x functionality be available? The idea of a program in this day and age not being able to access a file over a network is risible.

Adobe Administrator

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Gary, I've edited the official reply to address future versions so it is clearer. 
Adobe Photography Products

Quality Engineering - Customer Advocacy

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434 Points

"Though we realize it may have been possible to do this in previous versions". May? It WAS possible. And it's a pity that it was left out. Importing over network is a read-only situation.So corruption of the to-be imported catalog is a no-issue.

Anyway... I hope that in a future Lightroom Classic edition it will be implemented again and I do understand that this function will not be a 7.x feature.

Karel.

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114 Points

4 y ago

Hello

you are in a big group.

I am sure that is a bug, one more of this terrible release .

We have to wait Adobe.

Have a good experience

Adobe Administrator

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10.2K Points

4 y ago

Thanks for reporting, Felix.
We are looking into this.

Thanks,
Sunil

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242 Points

4 y ago

I'm having the exact same problem. We have a multiple photographer workflow that keeps the master LR catalog on the server and we export our collections from that catalog to multiple workstations. After the edits are made they are then imported back into the master catalog on the server. We have been doing this workflow for many, many years without any problem. Since upgrading to LR CC Classic we can no longer do this over the network. 

In order to get the catalog to import to the server, I have to move the master catalog to the workstation, import the edits to it (on the workstation) then copy the master catalog back to the server. The problem appears to be narrowed down to importing over a network; which has always worked in the past. 

We really need an answer to this as soon as possible since it is crippling our workflow. 

p.s. side note, I would also love for you guys to give us the option again to rename a catalog that has to be upgraded from an older version LR catalog. As it is now, we have to settle with the new catalog having a "-2" in the name while I would prefer the option to rename it to something easier to recognize. 

Champion

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I agree it would be nice to have this option in the convert catalog dialogue, but you can rename the catalog after it has been created. Make sure the previews folders are also renamed identically as shown below.

Champion

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Make sure you click the ME TOO button in the upper-right corner. 

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Hey Todd, thanks! I have been doing that in the meantime but it's just another step to add to the list of things to do when importing a bunch of different sessions. LR used to have the option to rename a catalog when converting it but they removed it a few releases back and never came back around to adding it. I'm still holding out hope though :) Thanks again! 

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64 Points

4 y ago

I have a similar problem, importing from a catalogue on a USB drive. I have a similar workflow: work on pictures on a laptop when away from base, and merge into main catalogue when I return.

When I try to load direct from the USB drive Lightroom doesn't recognise as a catalogue, but when I copy the files to disk and load it starts loading. It's very slow

I'm feeling pretty nervous about this new version of Lightroom. Having invested so much effort with my current massive catalogue (too big for cloud) it doesn't really seem to be committed to supporting features I need.

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242 Points

I agree. I'm in a weird conundrum with LR. I use it every day and it is honestly a foundational piece of software for our business but for years each and every update has gotten slower and more buggy.

I want to like LR, don't get me wrong. It would be very difficult to run our business without it but I find myself moving closer and closer to the possibility of other software options. Which I hate, because I want to use LR... I just want to use a LR that is relatively stable and fast; which seem to have come at the cost of features in every update.

The entire software, unfortunately, feels like a giant tower built on a foundation of toothpicks. The continual decrease in speed and performance has made me leary of even updating when new versions come out since I don't know what new and shiny bug is lurking around the bianary corner waiting to crush our productivity and workflow. 

I just feel like it would serve Adobe and its users to spend a considerable amount of time improving the foundation of LR and on their bug reviews before releases. LR CC Classic is not faster and feels more like a beta version than a well-made production release. 

Adobe, I want to love LR... Please help me to do that. We're not asking for much; or for that matter even more features. Just give us a product that is stable and has speed before shoving more shiny things into it. 

Rant over... 

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132 Points

4 y ago

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Import of catalogs from servers and external disks.

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Shortcuts / LR Catalogue from server.Shortcuts do not work in many cases for example
turn images: CMD+, &CMD+.

Import of LR Catalogues from Servers, extern Harddisks and similar is not possible with catalogues created in LR Classic CC but catalogues created in older LR Versions are.

For the rest it runs a bit faster

But overall it seems more like a downstep than an update.

Note: This conversation was created from a reply on: Lightroom Classic CC: Keyboard shorcuts for rotate left and right changed incorre....

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242 Points

4 y ago

I just downloaded the new update this morning ( version 7.1) and being able to import catalogs over a network still does not work.

This is crazy.

Adobe, you need to fix this bug. For any studio that has multiple photographers, this has created a messy nightmare in keeping up with catalogs. 

Adobe Administrator

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10.2K Points

4 y ago

In Lightroom Classic, we use a certain database mode primarily for performance gain. This is a technical limitation we face on Mac.

Thanks,
Sunil

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242 Points

Thanks for responding Sunil. I'm curious, are you saying this database limitation makes it impossible to import catalogs over a network like previous versions?

Adobe Administrator

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That's right, Brandon.
It happens only on Mac.

Thanks,
Sunil

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82 Points

That is not correct, i have the same problem when trying to import from another catalog over the network between two windows machines. Laptop (on the road) -> desktop (main catalog).

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242 Points

Sunil, there has to be a mistake somewhere because that can't be right. Limiting users to only importing catalogs on the host computer completely makes the entire "import another catalog" feature useless. We need to import catalogs because we have moved them to another computer to work on. That was LR's answer to networked catalogs so many years ago.

This update is a gigantic step backward. It was supposed to increase speed and it hasn't. I just can't believe the database is what is limiting importing over a network. This should be something your engineers can fix (and absolutely should fix). It's not a mac only issue and it's not something minor. This is a gigantic bug in LR that needs to be addressed not passed off as a limitation that we all know is not a limitation; it's a database design error or a bug. Both can be fixed. 

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242 Points

Any update on a fix for this?

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122 Points

4 y ago

Same problem. Main catalog is now coming on 4 months of not being updated :(

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162 Points

4 y ago

Import over network does not work. Copy .lrcat over network and import does not work. Copy to usb thumb drive, move file to host and import DOES work. Likely a file permissions issue.

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122 Points

4 y ago

Any updates on this? Finally bit the bullet to update my main catalog with a workaround: Manually copy over the catalog file, then manually copy over image files, then re-attach missing files in thecatalog. What a pain! Old process was a single step.

Also, I wonder if this has anything to do with the deprecation of AFP networking on APFS devices with High Sierra. Right now, only SMB worlds with APFS.

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154 Points

Eric, there is a step between. I just tested following a bit lesser pain in the ass:
Be connected to my notebook through finder. 
Copy the external catalog as you do.
Open it and search the missing image files on the notebook.
Open the main catalog.
Proceed the import with the now local catalog
The files are then on the main computer with the edits.

I still don't know how to set the image-path to avoid moving the files one more time to have them at the right place in the main structure.

Perhaps, when Adobe, some day, comes back from the cloud, pays analystes and programmer instead of marketing managers and lawyers, we will be able to have:
- several catalogs open at the same time
- the ability of moving and copying from one catalog to another without headache. 
- and by the way, be able to remove, with proper precaution, at least empty folders from the disk structure.

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154 Points

Oops I underestimated The remaining programmers. It works know!
It removes empty folders. Of course with no information to the user at all.
Wy bother?
At least there is a message that the structure and files will be kept when a folder isn't empty. That at least, is even clever.

Adobe Administrator

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4 y ago

At this point of time, we are not at fixing this technical limitation.

Thanks,
Sunil

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216 Points

That is disappointing. You guys broke this software and your answer is simply "We're not going to fix it"

I would like to know why?

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Would their reason for not fixing it be that you are then more likely to move to Lightroom CC, the cloud-based version, where sharing catalogs, if I understand things correctly, is its raison d'etre? Cynical?

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So, Adobe have removed previously-available functionality, but don't see this as a problem ... way to go, Adobe. Why am I not more surprosed?

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154 Points

@Thomas
How right.
Professional photographies are valuables. If they have to be kept outside my venues, than in a bank save and certainly not on a cloud. the very name of this digital "thing" says how undefined and unstable it is (meant to be).

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216 Points

What kind of time frame are we looking at for a fix to this issue?

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122 Points

4 y ago

I had the chance to test this over AFP networking and same issue occurred. So it appears that this is simply a regression: 1) Lightroom adds constraint preventing the use of catalogs over network for interactive work, 2) Import from catalogs over the network breaks.

At the least, the error message that the catalog is invalid is totally wrong.

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154 Points

4 y ago

And there is no mean to go on the street, before a judge, vote for an other party and, and, and...
Even buying by an other competitor isn't possible.
Western society and western economy has a very huge flaw here!

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216 Points

4 y ago

Sunil, what is Adobe planning on doing to fix this? Any time frame?