ronald_christian's profile

15 Messages

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242 Points

Fri, Jul 23, 2021 11:15 PM

LIghtroom Classic: cloud backup?

Currently my backup paradigm is to regularly copy raw images from my internal work disk to an external disk.  Every six months or so I swap the external disk for one in a friend's firesafe several miles away.  This is very old school, and I'm thinking I should switch to a cloud based backup system.  I have gig fiber to the house so bandwidth isn't a problem.  As photographers, what do you recommend?  I've got just over a quarter million photos in Nikon raw format, about 20% of them exported as jpg, for a total of a little under 6 TB.

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102 Points

3 m ago

I am also use external hard drive for backup and thinking of moving to the cloud. i currently use DropBox but only for key photos

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13.1K Points

3 m ago

Because continuous syncing causes performance issues in Lightroom, I have a dedicated Lightroom drive that is periodically sync'd to my Google Drive folder. This results in 3 copies of all the Lightroom data.

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26.4K Points

3 m ago

Keep doing what you're doing and yes, add a cloud backup of raws, library and presets. I have been happy with Backblaze but don't backup my previews (easy and fast to regenerate them).

One of my rotating hard drives lives in a fireproof media safe.

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1.8K Points

3 m ago

Backblaze here. $60/year with no limit for a single computer. My photos & catalog are on a dedicated internal SSD, and then mirrored to a larger internal hard drive. I will be moving to a NAS solution as I migrate to MacOS.

I used to make copies on DVD, then Blu-ray, and keep them in a fire proof safe and/or my car, but that's a waste.

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@jeffgo But you'll be keeping your Backblaze solution otherwise everything is gone in a fire or theft??? 

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Yes, I used CrashPlan before that until they discontinued personal service and I've been on Backblaze for several years.

The two copies locally are in case the main drive dies - I can replace it and quickly restore from my archive drive.

With the NAS, I will still use a cloud backup.

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26.4K Points

I too moved from CrashPlan after they lost the more affordable plan, don't miss it. Backblaze has been an excellent alternative for me.

Author “Color Management for Photographers" & "Photoshop CC Color Management" (pluralsight.com)

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546 Points

3 m ago

I've used Backblaze for years. Even at $70/year (recent raise) they're reliable, automatic, and for unlimited space (my 15 TB for 19c/day).

I have nine drives overall. I've had two drive failures over the years, requested a hard drive delivery each time (2 TB), I sent them their $189 deposit, got the drive in 2 days, copied files to a new and bigger drive, wiped the drive, returned it ($18) and got my $189 back by direct deposit within a week. Net cost: $18 + a drive I would have bought anyway with more space. I have a local backup drive working all the time, as well.

I don't think you can beat it. Sleep soundly while not actually doing anything.

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700 Points

3 m ago

With 6TB you might find that very unwieldy on any of the above cloud based services.  A set of 2 hard drives for rotating off-site is a good plan.  You always have to think about ALL the things that can get you … not only drive failure (probably the least probable fault), but human error, toddlers, cats on keys,  coffee and other liquids including the leaky shower in the room above you - and fire, theft and malware of all types.  So, having an active online disk, mirrored every day or so to an on-site and rotating that offsite periodically is a really good plan….esp when you are dealing with terra-byte volumes.  You can mirror when you want nicely with ChronoSync on Macs and FreeFileSync on both Mac/PC.  Your ‘images’ disk can also include the backup that LrC does when quitting each time and from time-to-time you can copy over your Previews and Settings from the folder that holds all your Catalog etc.

You never run the mirror until you do a trial sync to make sure you are not wiping anything out catastrophically; and you run the mirror when you know your primary is in good shape (so you don’t write-over your backup with bad stuff).  I do this and my mirror runs on a daily basis take only a few minutes.

You could also make copies onto DropBox or Google drive from time to time for most-recent image folders and your LrC Catalog.  With a high-speed internet connection, this too takes maybe less than a minute.

With TB quantities of data to backup and have fast access to, I’ve found this solution the most effective and cost effective.  I keep looking at the cloud backups of the world and I can’t find a solution I honestly prefer over the above….it’s all within my control, it’s fast, the offsite can go to a friend/relative/safety-deposit box or whatever and if you need to get it back then you have access to ALL of it very quickly.  Hard drives are cheap - 8TB ones are a good deal and for this activity USB 3-class drives are fine.  I’m a big believer in being to see, feel and touch my backups.

jc

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102 Points

3 m ago

Backblaze seems to be the favorite. Thank you. I've been on the fence, but will give it a try

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12.8K Points

3 m ago

I use CrashPlan howerver every few months it needs to do "Routine Maintenance" and "Reconcile" or some such words.  During the time it is doing this it suspends the backups.  When my data was under 1tb this was a matter of several hours to a couple of days.  However now my data is nudging 4tb and the "suspension period" is now measured in over two weeks at a time.  I have set the frequency to the minimum which I think is every 6 or 9 months but still, over 2 weeks without any cloud backup every 9 months is not to my liking.

So, I purchased both BackBlaze and iDrive to see if I like tse any better.

I started with BackBlaze and paid extra to keep back versions older than 30 days.  The tool itself is pretty straight forward.  Not a lot of options but does what it says.  One annoyance is that rather than specifying what you want to back up you specify what you want excluded from the backups.  The main thing I don't like about BB though is that my initial backup to them is now estimated to take up to 9 months.  I still have Crash Plan running so I can wait but still, this is a still a lengthy affair.

So, I suspended BB's backups and installed iDrive.  iDrive has more options (and therefore more complexity) but doable.  It's a bit strange as you setup your internal drive backup criteria in one panel and your external hard drives in another.  Then you can either tell it to backup the internal or external drives either continuously or on a schedule.  Right now it is unclear to me if you can tell it to do both either continuously or on a schedule but it appears you can't.  It also has tools to backup to a local drive (Yet a 3rd setup panel) and you can also use it to do a disk image or a disk clone (still trying to figure out the difference based on their sparse explaination of the two).  One very nice featre is that at no cost (once a year) they will send you an external hard drive of up to 5tb which you can use to make an intitial backup of your data using their "local backup tool".  Then you send the drive back (they prepay shipping and they use that to load your initial data into your cloud account.  I just mailed mine back so we'll see how well it works.  To load the external drive took about 10 days.  When it was done (message full backup completed), for the fun of it I ran it again and it ran another 2 days doing "full backups" of files.  I couldn't tell if was doing the same files over again or they were files missed the first time.  When done I did it again and again it found many more files to fully backup (one day).  So, I'm not clear what that is all about.  In any case it appears to have copied most of my files to the external drive so as I was leaving town and they only let you keep the drive for 30 days for free, I mailed it back to them figuring any remaining files could go over the internet.  One of the tihings I don't like is that there doesn't seem to be any list of "identified to backup but not yet backup up" files list.  You can see the files that have been backed up in the "restore" panel where you pick what you want to restore.  This includes picking what date you want to restore "as of".  

A 4th cloud tool which I have heard good things about but have not tried is Acronis.  It is said to be the best of the bunch but also the most complicated.  I don't know yet if I'll also give that one a try.

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560 Points

3 m ago

Like many others, Backblaze for me too. I have just under 5TB with them, works really well, is a background task and unnoticed in respect of system performance or bandwidth.