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Sat, Sep 12, 2020 4:43 PM

Lightroom Classic: copy/paste local adjustments separately

Just realized that I seem not able to copy paste local adjustments separately.

I do the following:
- Adjust the lower part (floor) of an image using a graduated filter
- I do that for all 7 photos in my panorama
- After that I treat the upper part (sky)
- Copy the graduated local adjustment of the sky treatment and paste it to the next image

This deletes the graduated filter I did for the floor...

Am I missing something or is it not possible to copy/paste local adjustments so it adds the copied adjustments and leaves the existing one?

Seems kinda tedious. Because I have to write down all setting and add a new graduated local adjustment to the next image. Also, if I tweaked the lower graduated adjustment on each image a bit, once i have both graduated filters in one image and copy them both, I over write the existing no matter what.

I think this would be easy to fix/add with a button in the copy dialog "only copy selected adjustment".

EDIT: Entering the settings before dragging a graduated adjustments at least keeps then applies the same to each new graduated adjustment. So I imagine this is a workflow issue.

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 Are you SURE you are going: Right-click on an image in Gallery/Develop Settings/Copy Settings... and then only selecting EXACTLY the setting you want copied in the window that opens, and NO others?

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You can only copy / paste local adjustments as a whole, so all graduated filters or all radial filters. That means that pasting a graduated filter on an image that already has a graduated filter does indeed delete the existing one.

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Thanks for chiming in.

So I should convert this thread to a feature request. This should be optional off course. No one want's to break established workflows.

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1 y ago

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Copy/paste individual local adjustments.

I am posting this again with another conversation type because this has turned into a feature request.

I would find it very useful if there was the ability to copy paste individual local adjustments.

Imagine following scenario?
- Create a local adjustment i.e. a graduated filter on one photo A.
- Copy paste this local adjustment to photo B.
- Go back to the first photo and add another graduated filter (it has to be the same type)
- Now, with the current graduated filter selected, copy the settings again.
- Go the photo B and paste  the additional graduated filter.

When you do this, your first graduated filter is removed...

This might not be an issue if one edits multiple photos of different nature. But if one edits single shots for a panorama for instance, one might want to treat the lower part first and then the sky separately. I just had this treating a panorama where the light conditions changed form shot to shot due to fast moving clouds.

Solution to this: Add a little checkbox to the copy dialog that let's one choose to only copy/paste the currently selected local adjustment.

Local adjustments are a different beast than general settings. It is possible that in a series of photos one wants to add i.e. a vignette to all photos as a last step after taking a break to refresh the eyes. That vignette currently has do be either added in the beginning, or added manually on all photos if there is any other local radial adjustment present.

And many times one doesn't know where to go with an edit unless one sees it.

P.S. I am aware that this is the community forum. I hope it's the right place to add a feature request. I tried to find the helpx.forums pages, but for some reason I cannot find that forum anymore...

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My first suggestion is to apply BOTH Graduated filters before copying and pasting the settings.  However, if one of the Graduated filters (i.e. top sky) needs to be updated or added on ALL of the image files without changing the lower Graduated filter (floor) you can do this using  a virtual copy.

Apply your changes to the top Graduated filter in the first image file and leave the Graduated Filter panel open. Create a virtual copy, delete the bottom Graduated in the already open panel, and then copy and paste it to the other image files. It's intuitively selective, fast, efficient, and requires no changes or check boxes to be added.


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Thank you Todd. Whilst this is a very useful workflow suggestion, it still is a cumbersome workaround compared to simply be able copy paste the selected adjustment imho.

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You could make it less cumbersome by creating the Virtual Copy BEFORE adding or changing the upper (top sky). That's one of the primary uses of Virtual Copies because it allows you to quickly compare your changes to the current settings. Once satisfied with the edit simply delete the lower Graduated filter Copy and Paste or Sync it to ALL of the image files.

P.S. I am aware that this is the community forum. I hope it's the right place to add a feature request.
Yes, this is the right place for feature requests and you've already set this post as an 'Idea.' I'll add my 'Me To' vote and Follow. It would be useful in some situations as you've outlined.

I tried to find the helpx.forums pages, but for some reason I cannot find that forum anymore...
These should help.

https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/getting-the-most-from-this-forum-feature-requ...

https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/getting-the-most-from-this-forum-reporting-bu...


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Thanks again Todd. And thank you for clarifying the forum status. I've been blasted with massive negativity in the past for posting on this community forum because it was inappropriate to talk to Adobe through it as it was a user to user forum. Maybe I missed something or something changed. But I was a happy camper for a long time the past months using the Adobe products. The unparalleled interconnection between apps and Adobe eventually implementing fundamental changes in the past few months have eliminated the need to look for alternatives for me.

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I've been blasted with massive negativity in the past for posting on this community forum because it was inappropriate to talk to Adobe through it as it was a user to user forum.
This is the only Photoshop and Lightroom forum that is monitored by Adobe Staff. Who ever told you otherwise is incorrect.

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It must have been a different setup. I remember there being forums.adobe... and community.adobe... and helpx.adobe... This actually confused me a few times. Seems much clearer now. Thanks for clarifying this! pfweeeeehhhhh :)

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I think the link for general help has been changed to this one:

https://helpx.adobe.com/support.html

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Mea Culpa! I Just had chance to do a test of my suggestion using a Virtual Copy for updating  or adding a specific Graduated filter without changing other pins already placed. As you stated in your original post it does NOT work and removes all existing Graduated Filters. The same is true for the Adjustment Brush and Radial Filter local controls.

That makes this feature request even more valuable since there's no way to add or change a single Local setting pin without deleting the pins already in place when using Copy & Paste Settings or the Sync Settings functions.



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Thanks! Thumbs up. I believe this would make a lot of sense to add.

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Not withstanding all the info provided about pasting targeted adjustments, in the original post, Alex mentioned that he was doing the targeted adjustments as a prelude to a Merge to Panorama operation.  

It should be noted that Merge to Panorama ignores tonal adjustments during the merge operation so what Alex is trying to do should be done after the merge not before.

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Good catch Dan–I glossed right over that fact! When Merging to Panorama LR applies the settings in "most selected" image file to the merged output DNG file. No settings are applied to the individual files before merging because it's combining the raw data.

The feature request is still as valid and useful, but just not necessary for LR Photo Merges.

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I don't merge my panoramas in LR. While it's a fancy module and might work in 1 out of 10 cases well, I use PGTGui. There is no options in LR panorama merge. No masking, no detailed projection control etc. etc. I export the images as TIFF and do my pano work after the fact.

Whilst I agree that most of the adjustment can be done even after merging in PTGui.

Except sometimes, like in my recent case, where the clouds were moving really fast that each shot had different illumination as the motors took a while to move from one shot to the next shot That's why I needed to locally adjust the floor and the sky differently from shot to shot. That's where I discovered the shortcoming of local adjustments in LR. Because I first concentrated to get the local adjustments for the floor spot on and then went on to treat the sky area.

But even for normal editing I would prefer to be able to copy/paste an individual local adjustment form one image to another. The way it behaves at the moment is bad UX imho.

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I also wondered about Alex's application of different local adjustments to different images in a panorama set. But as he has pointed out, LrC Merge Panorama is not being used, so the individual local adjustments are applicable.
When Merging to Panorama LR applies the settings in "most selected" image file to the merged output DNG file.
Todd, this is not true for local adjustments, they are discarded by LC's Photo Merge.

Irrespective of all this, the fundamental issue of pasting local adjustments into an image deletes all existing local adjustments of the same type seems to me to be a gross oversight in the original design of the copy/paste function when local adjustment features were first added to Lightroom.

As an analogy, what if copying an adjustment layer from one image in Photoshop and pasting it into another resulted in all existing adjustments layers in the target image being deleted. This would be a very undesirable result for Photoshop users and so it is for local adjustments in LrC. It surprises me that we have gotten this far with nobody reporting it previously.

I'm in full support of this idea that copying LrC local adjustments should not obliterate existing local adjustments when pasted to another image.

I would further add to this idea that a single local adjustment can be copied by a Copy option in an edit pin's context menu. The user could then right-click on a local adjustment edit pin, select Copy from the pop-up context menu to copy that local adjustment for subsequent pasting to wherever the user chooses.

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Todd, this is not true for local adjustments, they are discarded by LC's Photo Merge.
You are correct. I should have said the Global settings in the most selected image file are applied to the merged DNG output file.

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I don't merge my panoramas in LR. While it's a fancy module and might work in 1 out of 10 cases well, I use PGTGui.
Alex thank you for the clarification, which is just another example of where this capability would be useful.