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Wed, Mar 4, 2020 5:57 PM

Lightroom Classic: Duplicate EVERYTHING on a different computer

I'm currently setting up a brand new computer and I want to duplicate everything about my existing Lightroom Classic setup on the new computer, including customized panels (options turned off and things re-ordered), presets, watermarks, exports, EVERYTHING.

With the brilliance of Adobe and all the planners, I'm sure you must have some genius way to easily accomplish this, especially with all the development of cloud and sync and everything, there just must be an easy way to precisely and completely.

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2 y ago

First, be sure to use the Save Presets with Catalog option so all that stuff gets saved in that location instead of deep in the system. Then basically clone the drive with the catalog, images, presets now there, previews from older to newer drive. 

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I need to use multiple catalogs in the course of a year, so I actually want stuff saved deep in the system so that every catalog I create will begin with everything.

Besides, a few months ago I had stuff disappear, and that was even with using the Save Presets with Catalog option, I had stuff vanish.

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Data does not vanish on it's own nor when users backup their data.

Author “Color Management for Photographers" & "Photoshop CC Color Management" (pluralsight.com)

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2 y ago

Start with the official help advice regarding LR Classic catalogs, and ensure you also click on the links there for similar advice for preferences & other files: https://helpx.adobe.com/uk/lightroom-classic/kb/catalog-faq-lightroom.html

If you wish, you can also Google artilces written by others on the same topic - just check the dates of the articles in case they may be too old to include info for the latest versions of LR Classic.

If you need a better understanding of the files that support LR Classic (e.g. what's stored in the catalog, methods for exporting/importing those items out/in, versus what's stored outside of it), then I advise buying a good recently-published book or training course on the matter (e.g. creativeLIVE is currently providing updated training courses on the different LR applications plus Photoshop by experts such as Ben Willmore or Jared Platt)...

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Thank you for the wordy "no", they do not appear to have an easy, user-friendly way to do it.

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You're welcome. It isn't 'one-button' user-friendly, but it's not difficult. You just have to do a little bit of reading &  work yourself. You can, of course, choose to wait for Adobe to give you a one-button migration solution (unikely in the short-term, but it would be welcomed), or do like others before you and just use the info provided on two pages of Adobe's help to craft a way to manually achieve what you want.

You might think what you want is widely desired, but from what you describe your case might be different to typical users. Most folks just want to know how to migrate settings from one computer to another or one version of LR to another on the same computer after upgrading: that is what Adobe's help page (given above) covers.

From what you've written above, though, you want to do that plus prepare a LR application environment template that includes what's in the catalog plus what's outside of it (including a template catalog, because you seem to operate a multi-catalog workflow). There are several things to consider if doing that: hence I've given you (or anyone else reading this) tips on where to start.

Good luck...

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I ALREADY read and researched, and that is why I asked the question of if there was an easier way.

As for "most folks just want to know how to migrate settings from one computer to another".. yeah, that's what I'm saying Adobe should make easier.

"... or one version of LR to another on the same computer after upgrading".. I'm sorry, having all the settings stay when upgrading on the same computer should not require user intervention... upgrades should preserve the prior settings and preferences, PERIOD.

While I had the referenced page already open on a tab before you made mention of it, THE point is this should not require users to seek help pages to perform.

I don't care whether it is "Sync workspace, presets, settings, watermarks, and preferences" or "export" them to then be imported into another version of the app.

The point you seem to have missed though is that the underlying point of my question and the suggestion is the underlying and fundamental belief that this functionality should NOT require users to resort to exactly the methods you're championing.

I already knew about all of your suggestions, your suggestions are the problem that resulted in my post/question/suggestion...  they are not the answer/solutions as you suggest, they are, in fact, THE PROBLEM.

Thank you for your time though, and hopefully you've unintentionally helped to illustrate the problem.

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Hmm, speaking about "the problem", this thread reminds me of a meme I saw years ago: https://me.me/i/the-problem-is-not-the-problem-the-problem-is-your-12785089

I'm sorry, Doug. Glad to now know you've read the relevant help pages already, so I'm confident you have the matter in hand. From what you wrote elsewhere on the thread, it sounded like you were asking for help, but you're just asking for a better way. My mistake. Good luck again!..

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Copying the windows "hidden" folders seems to have properly transferred a fair bit of the into (I was waiting to do the work until after enough time for some responses to confirm there wasn't a "good" way.

I have found that some of the customization did not transfer though, especially in the left panel, stuff I had turned off/hidden was re-activated even after copying in my files from the other system into the new system.   I may find other things that didn't migrate, but that is what I have observed so far.

The point remains, I was hoping for a good, integrated system where things would not slip through the cracks, ideally using the sync features they are implementing, but as we've discussed in other threads, professional users just are not their priority anymore.. which is why so many photographers I know are moving to other products and followers are following them   I'll even be testing those other products in the coming months because we're not that important to Adobe anymore... even though I'd think having folks work space/preferences/settings be the same for folks desktops and laptops would useful to all users with more than one device... and far more useful than moving images through the cloud.

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2 y ago

Adobe really needs to provide a way to backup/restore all the files associated with a Lightroom/Photoshop/ACR install.  

When I upgrade to a new version of macOS I usually do a clean install by reformat/reinstall.  For Lightroom I copy the user/library/application support/adobe/lightroom and camera raw folders and restore these folders after I have reinstalled Lightroom.  I also copy and restore the user/library/preferences/com.adobe.lightroomclassiccc7.plist file.  

This gets almost everything I think.  

If you are a Windows user you will have to figure out which directories you need.

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Yup, Windows 10 here.  

Your first sentence is matching the point of my post, after all this time, designers/programmers still lack this basic functionality and not only is that functionality lacking, they keep changing the underlying structures for how they deal with and where they hide the nuts and bolts, which makes doing these processes manually even harder and less reliable.

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2 y ago

I guess here is a part 2 question...

Say you have a normal LR Classic setup and then you click on storing presets with the catalog, does it move the information to the catalog or does it copy the into to the catalog so there is a copy in both places?

When using store presets in catalog, what things are still not stored there.

Of course, these questions illustrate why we don't need more "help" pages, we need the darn software to have obvious, easy-to-use options to do this sort of thing without needing to search and search and trial and error.

This is basic stuff... it should be easy to have the program work and look exactly the same on every device we use.

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Both places, at least I'm my Mac.
One item not saved there: DCP camera profiles. But they are embedded in DNGs.

Author “Color Management for Photographers" & "Photoshop CC Color Management" (pluralsight.com)

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Believe it or not, there is a whole world out there who are not using macs.

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I believe it, but it doesn't alter anything posted here. Now there are significant advantages to storing presets with ONE catalog but that's a different story here. 

Author “Color Management for Photographers" & "Photoshop CC Color Management" (pluralsight.com)

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When you have 100's of thousands of photos per year, ONE catalog isn't a safe or speedy option.

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That's actually not correct; there are LR catalogs with 100,000s of images cataloged without issue. Speaking of safe computing, who here told us his "Stuff" disappeared, vanished? ;-)

Author “Color Management for Photographers" & "Photoshop CC Color Management" (pluralsight.com)

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2 y ago

Doug,

Referencing:
"In terms of size.. I was advised by Adobe Lightroom team members to stick with smaller catalogs, so I really don't give a damn what your little links say."

Can you provide me with documentation of this so I can review this statement with the team members mentioned and the Lightroom support channels? This is not an Adobe position.

Image Count has very little impact on the performance of the catalog. I routinely work with customers whose catalog image count is in the millions. I have worked with customer catalogs of >7 & >10 Million in the past year who do not experience any adverse effects. You can still choose to use 'little' catalogs if that suits your workflow but that is not a recommendation nor a requirement. 

Lastly, I would also ask that you hit the link at the bottom of the forum "Terms" and review section 4. This thread could have been a little more civil.

Thank you. 

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Hi Rikk,

It is interesting that given all the above, these are the things you choose to focus on, which actually have nothing to do with the post/question/problem.

I looked through my email to see who made the recommendation to me, and I can't find it. (I'm not sure I'd even have it in email, let alone still have it years later)  I do know it was prior to the introduction of Creative Cloud, because my first using Lightroom beginning with Version 3, I did everything in a single catalog.  I stayed with that until I ran into performance problems and was told to try a new catalog to see if that changed the performance problems, which it did.  Is that a "recommendation", I don't know, but it is what I was told to try to avoid performance problems, and I DO see a difference in speed/performance whether I'm working with my 250,000+ catalogs versus 30,000 photo catalogs.

Maximum speed and reliability are what best serves my workflow.

As for being more civil, there is an old saying about not suffering fools gladly, and unfortunately, that is something I do not have a high tolerance for.

Lets put it this way... this was my topic/conversation/post... I'm not going anywhere, so if someone comes in and repeatedly acts like a *$@^%, and is insulting/rude and won't stop harassing, I'm not going to put up with it,  if you don't like that, I'd suggest dealing with the people who throw the first punch, not the person trying to block that person's punches to defend themselves.

When I updated months ago, the updated version no longer had 90% of my watermarks, the upgrade process lost them, they vanished from the new version, and ultimately I needed to work with support to do a deep file search to find where they vanished to so that I could reinstall them.  I do NOT deserve to be repeatedly attacked and insulted with false claims from some %$#^&@ saying I don't practice safe computing and don't backup data properly, when I'm talking about Adobe's installer having let things slip through the cracks.

You point me to the "Terms", I point you to the problems that Adobe keeps ignoring, and the problems that are the reason for the topic in the first place...

Perhaps could we focus on the topic??

Best of al, if people were to stick to the topic and not try to make it personal with attacks and insults, it would stay more civil.

Upgrades/Updates = stuff slips through the cracks
Save with catalog = stuff slips through cracks
Copying files from AppData = stuff slips through cracks

Could we PLEASE talk about creating a more reliable way to "duplicate everything" as the topic IS about, and stop wasting time with all the other "stuff" that does nothing to help fix the problem.

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You got the answer two days ago: clone the drive with the catalog, images, presets now there, previews from older to newer drive. 

“There seems to be some perverse human characteristic that likes to make easy things difficult.” -Warren Buffett

Author “Color Management for Photographers" & "Photoshop CC Color Management" (pluralsight.com)