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Wed, Jul 11, 2018 9:45 AM

Lightroom Classic: Presets are a nightmare to organize

Let me get right to it.

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I want to move some of my presets from the "User Presets" folder to a Custom Folder e.g. "Riccphoto"

a) This is what I tried and worked in previous LR versions! 

I right clicked on my presets in the developer module -> click show in finder -> create a folder in /Users/riccphoto/Library/Application Support/Adobe/CameraRaw/Riccphoto -> move the presets inside this folder "Riccphoto" -> restart Lightroom

Instead of showing in a group, they still show under "User Presets"

b) I then create a "Dummy" preset as described by https://lightroomkillertips.com/managing-develop-presets-7-3-update-classic/

I created a dummy preset "test" in a group "test group" -> this created also a physical folder in  /Users/riccphoto/Library/Application Support/Adobe/CameraRaw/test group

so far so good...

I then moved all the presets into this group in finder and restarted Lightroom. BUT the presets still remain in "User Presets" instead of "test group"

I mean cmon, this worked before!!!

I then tried to move the presets individually in Lightroom into the "test group" group. THIS WORKED!

This is so confusing. I used to just backup my preset folder and restore it and it all worked. What have you done Adobe???

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Lastly, in previous LR versions you went to "Preferences -> Presets -> Locations -> Show Lightroom Presets folder" and you could simply copy paste and organise them on ur hard drive.

This whole preset management is screwed up, behaviours have changed and a nightmare to deal with. I have been using LR since v4 and this is just ridiculous!

3.

Not all presets work on all JPG AND TIFF ANYMORE!!! You now have to turn off "Treatment & Profile" and save the preset in order to apply it both to JPG and TIFF.

This is a new behaviour! Weirdly enough, when I copy Settings from one image leaving "Treatment & Profile" checked, and paste it on another Photo (JPG or TIFF) it works. 

WHY does saving a preset with checked "treatment and profile" NOT work, BUT Copy and Paste Settings does???


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Lastly, the whole scrolling through presets is LAGGY!!!!!!! Cmon guys!

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3 y ago

Presets are no longer organized in groups by means of physical folders, they are now organised by a field inside the preset. That means you cannot reorganise presets in the Finder, you have to do this in Lightroom.

The new profiles have consequences for presets too. If you save a raw-profile in a preset, then this preset is only available when you have selected a raw file. It all makes perfect sense, but you have to get used to it.

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3 y ago

That is simply NOT true. If you create a new group, it will also create a folder physically on ur hard drive.
before:

after:

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Yes, but the opposite is not true. Creating a folder in the Finder won't create a group in Lightroom for the reasons I told you.

Johan W. Elzenga,

http://www.johanfoto.com

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Re organizing presets by using Finder/Explorer: LR is now very inconsistent about this. As Johan explained, the group containing a preset is actually stored inside the preset's .xmp file. It doesn't matter which folder the file is stored in -- LR reads the group from the field inside the file.  But as you've observed, LR stores a new preset in a folder corresponding to the group's name.  (Last I checked, Adobe Camera Raw, which shares presets with LR, didn't do that, but maybe that's changed.)

So you can no longer use Finder/Explorer to reorganize your presets using LR's built-in features.

However, you can use the Organize Into Groups command of the free Fix Presets plugin to do so.

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"Not all presets work on all JPG AND TIFF ANYMORE!!! You now have to turn off "Treatment & Profile" and save the preset in order to apply it both to JPG and TIFF.

"This is a new behaviour! Weirdly enough, when I copy Settings from one image leaving "Treatment & Profile" checked, and paste it on another Photo (JPG or TIFF) it works. 

"WHY does saving a preset with checked "treatment and profile" NOT work, BUT Copy and Paste Settings does???"

It's even more confusing -- some presets with Treat & Profile are visible for JPEGs, and some are not.  Adobe claims this is by design, but in my opinion, it's a bad design.

Please add your constructive opinion to this bug report: 

https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/lightroom-presets-including-raw-profiles-are-...

Be sure to click Me Too and Follow in the upper-right corner, which will make it a little more likely Adobe will prioritize a fix, and you'll be notified of changes in the bug's status.

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I will definitely do that. I am also very unhappy, there is no red line, its confusing, non-coherent, just a mess and simply bad design.

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3 y ago

I feel relieved that not only myself but others are experiencing this BAD design and even got a plugin to make this work, I haven't tried but will do so.
https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/lightroom-classic-how-organize-presets?topic-...

If presets are really stored by some code within the xmp, why add physical folders anyway by Lightroom?
@ADOBE
GIVE US BACK THE ABILITY TO SORT VIA FOLDERS IN FINDER!!!!!

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I can't answer your question why Lightroom still creates a folder even though it's just for show, but I do have an idea why the organisation is now inside the presets. That is because they also sync to the creative cloud and your mobile devices, and so there needs to be a way to organise them (in the same groups) on these devices as well.

Johan W. Elzenga,

http://www.johanfoto.com

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3 y ago

There is a bug in LR Preferences in the Presets tab, the Show Folder button doesn't reveal the correct folder.

And there should be an export feature for presets.

I barely use presets so it isn't a problem for me but I know some people have hundreds.

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What folder is it showing you, David. I just checked and my button takes me right to the Lightroom Presets folder. 
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>  my button takes me right to the Lightroom Presets folder. 

The Develop Presets just aren't there any more, and that's what most people think of when they think of Lightroom Presets.

Victoria Bampton a.k.a. The Lightroom Queen

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Author of Adobe Lightroom Classic - The Missing FAQ and Adobe Lightroom - Edit Like a Pro books.

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If memory serves Develop Presets are 1 type out of 25/30 presets available in Lightroom.  I counted them up one time back in the Lightroom 4 days and there were lots!
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Yeah, it just needs a second button to go to the Camera Raw presets.

Victoria Bampton a.k.a. The Lightroom Queen

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Author of Adobe Lightroom Classic - The Missing FAQ and Adobe Lightroom - Edit Like a Pro books.

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Sounds suspiciously like a feature request...
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