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Tue, Mar 6, 2012 2:16 PM

Lightroom: LR4 doesn't display point curve adjustments made in LR3

After updating from LR3, LR4 has reset my tone curves. I use custom tone curves on almost every picture, and all my contrast treatments this way seem to have gone. Initially the previews were still the old ones, so I only noticed after opening several pictures in the develop module, just to see my meticulous tone curve adjustments be removed.

Is anyone else seeing this?

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174 Points

10 y ago

yes, the link in the pdf is broken: it need some creative cut and past to create a link from the text "http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18653315/Restore Lightroom 3 Point Tone Curves.lua".

Mauro

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The correct link is: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18653315/Rest...
Marco

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Can we have the pdf too, please?

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Dorin, the pdf just describes where to load the .lua-file from and where to create a folder called "scripts" in which to copy it into. Then some screenshots how you will find an extra menu on restarting LR, from which to invoke the script execution.

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See 2 comments further down.

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10 y ago

Hi Tom,

Can we please have an estimate of delivery for the fix of this issue? I'm really looking forward to upgrading to LR4 but this issue will prevent me from doing so.

Cheers,
badmonkeh

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10 y ago

Hi Tom,

I also miss other changes on my photo's. Such as converting to black and white, cropping, sharpness and lot more.

Hans from Holland

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Did you convert the catalog from LR3, or just imported the existing photos again into a new, empty LR4-calatlog?

I ask because I had no such problems besides the curves discussed here.

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Hello,
I made the following test and I was not able to reproduce the issue (lost cropping etc..)
1-Create a new catalog with LR3
2-Imported some pictures
3-Cropped some of them, rotated other, tone curve changed on one, and converted one to B&W
4-Closed LR3 and opened LR4
5-Told LR4 to convert the LR3 catalog
Result: it is all OK except for the tone curve
6-I executed the script provided
Result: all OK.
Regards,
Marco no-nic

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How do you execute the script?

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Look in this thread for a comment to Tom Hogarty and send a comment to him to you'd like to have the script.
He will send you the script and a PDF that explains how to use it.
The script is only a sort of ''alpha'' solution: they will release something definitive soon it seems.
Marco

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I only asked: How do you execute the script ?

Marco Simone Zuppone 23 hours ago
The correct link is: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18653315/Rest...
Marco

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10 y ago

Just run the script on a test LR3 catalog that had 4 images with different curve settings: Normal, Linear, Strong and Custom.

POSITIVE:
1. The script will correctly update Strong and Custom. Will leave Normal alone, as it should.

NEGATIVE:
1. The script will not update Linear.
2. The script will not update any image that has already been touched in LR4 Develop or Quick Develop, even if not updated to 2012.

So, there's room for improvement.

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Update: That is for raw files. For Jpegs, it's the Medium that escapes restoring.

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10 y ago

Tom, is there any update on this please? The last update was 4 days ago.

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74 Points

10 y ago

Yes Chris. I am also very frustrated. I use the point curve on most of my photographic art. Lightroom 4 has destroyed dozens of my best art.

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Most likely not destroyed, just not available after upgrade.

Give them time to test internally and with the people that have volunteered to test the fix. I'm sure they'll release it when they're confident that it's working properly.

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10 y ago

Thanks for everyone's patience. Here's the latest update:
1. The script appears to be working properly and I'd like to thank those who tested it on their own catalogs.

2. The script is only intended to restore the point tone curve as applied in PV2010. There is some confusion over how a tone curve migrates from PV2010 to PV2012 and I'm working on a blog post to explain the change in terminology and visual appearance of the curve.

3. In our next update we will have corrected the catalog upgrade process so that this doesn't happen to future upgrades from Lightroom 3 to Lightroom 4. We're also working on a solution that will automatically "heal" any existing catalogs that have already been upgraded from Lightroom 3 to Lightroom 4.(No need to download or run a script, it will be built directly into Lightroom 4)

4. I do not have a time frame for the updates mentioned above so if there is sufficient interest I will attempt to make the script and instructions for manual catalog correction available via our tech support pages as quickly as possible.

Regards,
Tom Hogarty

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Yes I'm interested ! Thanks !

Frans

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Good news, thanks Tom. I would also like instructions for the manual catalog correction. Given the number of people upgrading, I think it's safe to assume that there will be sufficient interest!

Cheers,
Scott

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Very interested here as well - if not the corrective script, some process/procedure to at least identify affected images would be very helpful.

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Tom,

What about the issue with Linear (Raws) and Medium (JPGEs) curve settings not being restored by the script, which Dorin reported a few posts above? I experienced the same problem and also reported it.

Beat

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Yes, Beat. And images that have been touched by LR4 Develop too.

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10 y ago

Tom,
Does any of this apply to brand new users to LR 4 who previously applied tone curves using RAW 6.6 or earlier? I just bought LR 3 in Feb. and was upgraded to LR 4 but have not set up anything just yet. I installed LR4 and am in the processing configuring it. I don't want to screw up the thousands of files I have in Bridge when I set up LR4 and transfer them for the first time. Should I wait until a fix is out?

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Hi Bob,
Before doing anything non-reversible I would suggest you do a test and a handful of images.
Develop them (a copy of them!**) in Camera Raw 6.6 into something *recognizably-strange*, e.g. a solarization.
Then import them in LR4.0 and look if this develop effect is still available.
If yes, I'd consider it safe to start with these images importing them in LR4.

Which is what I expect, because a "read metadata from file" solved this problem already w/o the script for many people.
It was just not usable on virtual copies, as VCs are not written to metadata, hence nothing there to retrieve by invoking the extra read-command.
Root cause of this effect was that the catalog conversion from LR3 to LR4 ignored the tone-curve-entries in point mode from LR3.

**Actually if you store a safe copy of these images for some time, inaccessible for LR4, you could go right away importing the "working-copy-images" into LR4.
Should it go wrong, you delete them from LR4.0-catalog and wait with importing from the safe until LR4.1.
Costs you redundant storage space until verification of success.

Good luck, Cornelia

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10 y ago

I would like to have the script. How can I get it if there isn't enough interest for you to post on tech support?

Please provide a link to the tech support pages.

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The link is bit higher up this thread.

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10 y ago

I am very interested in this script,too. I don't use LR4 without this issue solved.

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10 y ago

Could someone please post a link that works to get the Tone Curve Script?

Thank you.

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Could someone please post instructions on how the script is applied to the catalog.

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1. Download the Restore Lightroom 3 Point Tone Curves.lua file from this location:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18653315/Restore Lightroom 3 Point Tone Curves.lua
2. Open Lightroom 4.0 and open the preference dialog from the following menu item.
a. Mac: Lightroom -> Preferences
b. Windows: Edit -> Preferences
3. Choose the Preset tab and select “Show Lightroom Presets Folder...” button
4. Create a new folder in that directory titled “Scripts”
5. Copy the downloaded file into the new “Scripts” directory
6. Quit and relaunch Lightroom 4.0
7. Choose the “Restore Lightroom 3 Point Tone Curves” option listed under the Scripts menu.
a. Mac: This menu is shown to the right of the Help menu item and appears as a scroll icon
b. Windows: This menu item is titled “Scripts” and will appear as the last menu item on the
right
8. The script will create a temporary collection in the Catalog panel in Library called "Photos with
Recovered Point Curves."
9. If no photos need tone curve settings repair the script will display a message indicating that is
the case.

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But you know that you cannot complain if this goes wrong. This is ALPHA testing, even with positive results by some testers so far.

You can expect:
* The script will correctly update Strong and Custom. Will leave Normal alone, as it should.

And you know what it will not help to restore:
1. The script will not update Linear Tone Curve chosen in LR3 for Raw-files, nor Medium Tone Curve chosen in LR3 for JPG-files
2. The script will not update any image that has already been touched in LR4 Develop or Quick Develop, even if not updated to 2012.... which I consider a deliberate good feature!

If you want any *insurance* that you do get havoc, you better wait for LR4.1.

Good luck, Cornelia

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...that you do NOT get havoc...

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10 y ago

frankly I don't know if redistribute the script is correct: I received it directly from Adobe and I suggest to wait for something "official", public ... and deeply tested!

Mauro Morando

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I don't think redistributing is bad: everybody knows this is an alpha-test, so entirely at our own risk.
Dorin & Beat have published what this script succeeds in doing and what is still not solved by it.

So whoever wants to give it a try knows what to expect.
The risk-averse better wait for LR4.1, how long ever that will be...

Cornelia

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Sorry Cornelia, this is not an alpha test. I paid for it. I have been using Lightroom since the original beta. This time, I specifically held off downloading it until it was released.

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The FIX of this known bug by the script of this thread is indeed an alpha-test.
LR4.0 is not...
LR4.1 shall not (should not?) be either...

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10 y ago

Waiting for that scrip !
Thanks

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10 y ago

A note for those who have the "store presets with catalog" option activated:

Do not put the "scripts" folder where the presets are stored with the catalog (i.e. where the "show lightroom presets folder" button tells you).

Instead, put it where LR would store the presets when that option would be not activated, e.g. C:\Users\username\AppData\Roaming\Adobe\Lightroom on Win7.

Otherwise, the menu will not appear.

P.S. The script itself seemed to work for me, with the exception of linear curves (for RAWs) as already observed by others. I didn't test for photos with already changed develop settings.

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10 y ago

I think there's a missconception here about what the script does to images with custom tone curves from LR3, but with edits applied after the catalog conversion (but before running the script) in LR4:

From Dorin's post
The script will not update any image that has already been touched in LR4 Develop or Quick Develop, even if not updated to 2012
one might think that there's no action taken at all on those images, which is not true.

On those images, the point curve step in history is reinstated, so you can click on the history step and see the custom curve (which you cannot without running the script). But the image is left in its last state of development (without the point curve reinstated) and put into the temporary collection created by the script.

I don't consider this an optimal behaviour, as if there are many corrected images in the temporary collection, those images left in their last state are hard to identify.

Beat