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Thu, Jul 31, 2014 8:13 PM

LIGHTROOM: To have people name tags on a separate list to other keywords

HI
I often find my keyword list is clogged up with hundreds of names, making it longer when typing in initial letters to get to the keyword I want.

Would it be possible to separate general keywords from name tags? I'm aware you can use hierarchies and put all names in one 'people' hierarchy, but this still means there are too many options in the keyword section.

Other interesting possibilities with keywords would include having mutually exclusive tags, (for example, if I have tagged a photo with 'England' then it wouldn't keep offering me 'France' as a suggested option if these were both in a particular group)

Thanks for considering!

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7 y ago

"I often find my keyword list is clogged up with hundreds of names, making it longer when typing in initial letters to get to the keyword I want."

The Any Tag plugin lets you apply keywords quickly by typing just a few keystrokes. For example, to apply the keyword "John Ellis", you could type "j e" followed by enter.

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7 y ago

Thanks John, I'll look into this, it sounds good. I still like the idea of separating names from other keywords (I vaguely recall picasa did it this way?), but if that isn't possible then this kind of shortcut could work instead.

Probably wrong place to ask, but do you know if you get extract keywords from the map module? So if a photo is geotagged, can I get the specific town/city (eg 'Cambridge') to be one of the main keywords?

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"I still like the idea of separating names from other keywords"

A number of programs have chosen to treat person names differently than keywords in general -- Windows Photo Gallery, Mac iPhoto, and others. There are a number of issues wrapped up in this:

- the introduction of face recognition makes it necessary for the program to identify which tags are "people" tags.

- the IPTC industry standard defines metadata fields specifically for people shown in images, and depending on your workflow and how your images are being consumed, you may need to populate those fields.

- keywords usually have tools for maintaining a hierarchy, allowing people to organize their keywords into hierarchical groups (e.g. families); whereas the IPTC standard doesn't provide any hierarchical management.

- most users want the same abilities for searching by people tag as by keyword tag.

If LR were to encourage the use of the IPTC people fields, I think many users would want LR to provide some kind of hierarchical management of the people tags and to provide exact match when filtering and searching (as you can get in LR when using keywords).

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Also, not all programs and Web services handle the IPTC people tags very well, so again, depending on your workflow, you may prefer storing person identifications in keywords instead.

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Adobe has chosen to manage 'people', 'places' and 'events' separately from standard tags in Elements since PSE11. This has led to a lot of complaints from users expecting to manage such special tags hierarchically just like normal tags. The problem is worse because conversion of old catalogs automatically converts normal tags into the new ones, without any option to choose your method. Add to that the introduction of a new interface to manage the 3 new categories in 'tabs' that clutter the interface.
That choice would probably create similar problems in Lightroom.

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Yeah, that's a good illustration of some of the issues involved.

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"So if a photo is geotagged, can I get the specific town/city (eg 'Cambridge') to be one of the main keywords?"

LR stores reverse-geotag information (country, state, city) in IPTC-standard metadata fields, not in keyword tags. (Similar issues as with people tags and keywords.) It doesn't provide any automatic way of copying the location fields to keywords.

You could use the free Exiftool to do that outside of LR (but Exiftool has a steep learning curve). I vaguely recall that Rob Cole might have a plugin explicitly for copying the location fields to keywords -- you could Google for it or send a private message to Rob on the user-to-user forum.

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Thanks so much for your insights and responses. I'll have a look for that plug in too.

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There is a script (not a plugin) for copying location fields (or any other metadata available in Lightroom or obtainable via exiftool) to keywords.

Script Name: 'Copy Metadata To Keywords'
To Download: http://www.robcole.com/Rob/ProductsAn...

PS - It's free, and I wrote it.

Rob

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and Rob is one of the most helpful people online ever! :)

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Thanks hpphotos!

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7 y ago

I'd also like to see keyword "libraries", so, for example, one could install "controlled vocabulary" library, and not have keywords get mixed in with "uncontrolled vocabulary..".