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Thu, Aug 27, 2020 1:24 AM

Must reload Jeffrey Friedl Lightroom Classic plugin over and over on MacOS

I use Jeffrey Friedl's Lightroom plugin for uploading photos to Flickr. For the last 2 or 3 months, I've had to reload the plugin through LR Classic's plugin manager almost every time I need it, which is every week or so. I think restarting Lightroom somehow breaks the link. I have it stored in a /Home/Documents folder. In MacOS System Preferences' security section, LR has permission to access the documents folder. When I need the plugin, I reload it, but LR grays it out often. Perhaps every reboot? (I have to reboot a lot these days, sigh.)

Using LR Classic 9.4 (latest release) on MacOS 10.15.6 (latest release) on a 2016 MacBook Pro, 16GB RAM.

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Why don’t you load in the official Lightroom plugin folder?

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I went by Friedl's installation advice, which was easier that rooting around in MacOS hidden folders. Worked fine for the last decade or so, I didn't fool with it. Does Adobe have official advice? I didn't see it.

(And part of the reason I post bug reports is to see if anyone else is having the same problem. I didn't find anything like my problem, leading me to suspect it's not a plague sweeping the LR community, but sometimes others come out of the woodwork. If using /Documents was a problem, I'd have expected more trouble.)

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/Library/Application Support/Adobe/Lightroom/Plugins.  Easy peasy.  Never have any problem with plugins installed there.

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I'll try it. Just searched around various installation guides, several other plugins also don't seem to be troubled by the idea of using another location, though.

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My "official" plugins folder is not where yours is. Mine is /Applications/Adobe Lightroom Classic/Adobe Lightroom Classic.app/Contents/Plugins at least judging by where Lightroom stores its bundled plugins.

When using the "Add..." option in Lightroom's plugin manager dialog box, it's not an option since it can't peer within the LR Classic app. I sidestepped the restriction by creating a link over in the Finder's shortcut area.

Sure enough, it didn't go gray upon restarting Lightroom.

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I wouldn't mess the with application package. You would probably lose the plugin with every update. The official plugin folder is /Users/username/Library/Application Support/Adobe/Lightroom/Modules. Any plugin you place in that folder will automatically load in Lightroom at restart.

Johan W. Elzenga,

http://www.johanfoto.com

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1 y ago

Update: Lightroom can keep track of the plugin after restarting the software. However, after rebooting my Mac, it lost it again.

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/Home/Documents is not really part of the standard macOS filesystem layout.

Do you perhaps mean that it's in /Home/<YOUR_USERNAME>/Documents?

If that's the case, beware that the user Documents folder is sometimes managed specially by the system and is synced with iCloud Drive.  That could potentially be messing things up.

Personally I put all of Jeff's many incredible plugins in a "Plugins" subfolder in the same folder as my Lightroom catalog, like so:  /Home/Brian/Pictures/Lightroom/Plugins .  That way it's all under one folder and backed up easily.

I've never had a problem.  I regularly use his flickr plugin and it I've never had to reload it.  I'm on Lr Classic 9.4 and the latest macOS.

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Nope, it's /Users/username/Documents. Your Documents folder is only managed by the System if you told it to do that in Apple Menu/About This Mac/Storage/Manage. You would know if you did this, it's not by default!

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Hah, good catch. You are right.  /home goes back to my linux days.  Oops.

In my experience helping a variety of folks with their macs, none of them know whether Documents is managed by iCloud or not and often don't quite understand the implications either way.

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Yeah, of course you're right about the directory name, err, I mean the folder name :) I've got some Linux leftovers lodged in my brain, too.

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The official plugin folder is /Users/username/Library/Application Support/Adobe/Lightroom/Modules. Any plugin you place in that folder will automatically load in Lightroom at restart.

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Running 10.15.6 and Big Sur beta 4.  Both machines have LR, PS updated to LR 9.4, and PS 21.3.  Neither machine has a ~/username/Library folder.  All modules, plugins, extensions get installed by default in the Library/Application Support/Adobe/Lightroom/Modules folder off the root director.  I run as an administrator and have done so on all my Linux and my macOS machines for as long as I can remember.  I also don’t have any difficulty with any of Jeff Friedl’s plugins loading consistently.  All other applications that run as plugins inside of Adobe’s ecosystem also install themselves in that folder.

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Johan W. Elzenga,

http://www.johanfoto.com

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Another way of going to this folder is by choosing Preferences - Presets in Lightroom Classic and clicking on the ‘Show All Other Presets’ button.

Johan W. Elzenga,

http://www.johanfoto.com

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I always have “show all hidden folders on by default”.  Every plugin I own, whether installed by vendor or installed by me, resides in the Library folder off the root directory.

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I know how to show the library (and indeed have it shown), but my Mac doesn't have the ~/Library/Application Support/Adobe/Lightroom/Modules folder.

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1 y ago

Here's complete information on where plugins could get installed:

/Applications/Adobe Lightroom Classic/Adobe Lightroom Classic.app/Contents/PlugIns
C:\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe Lightroom Classic

This is where plugins built-in to LR (e.g. Adobe Stock and Flickr) are pre-installed. Users shouldn't install third-party plugins here, because they'll get removed when LR gets updated to a new version.

/Users/<username>/Library/Application Support/Adobe/Lightroom/Modules
C:\Users\<username>\AppData\Roaming\Adobe\Lightroom\Modules

LR will automatically load any plugins it finds in this folder. The user can enable or disable those plugins but can't remove them entirely from LR via File > Plug-in Manager > Remove (which disconcerts some users).   Some but not all plugins you download from Adobe Exchange install themselves automatically here (Adobe Exchange is its own complete mess when it comes to LR plugins).

Many (perhaps most) long-time plugin developers (including me) don't tell users to use the Modules folder. With both Mac Finder and Windows File Explorer, you'd have to explain to users how to unhide the user Library folder, which can be a stumbling block for the many LR users who aren't computer geeks.  Users also have to create the folder if it's not there, another point of confusion for inexperienced computer users. And Plug-in Manager > Remove is disabled for plugins installed in Modules, which further confuses users.

Thus, we tell users to place a plugin's ".lrplugin" folder somewhere convenient for them. This in itself can lead to confusion, but in my opinion it's less confusing than trying to use Library.

Years ago, there were discussions here about how to make plugin installation and management much easier, but by then the LR team was already tuned out, investing very little in further improvements to the LR plugin architecture. 

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Very useful context and history. Thanks. I heard rumblings about a plugin system for Lightroom non-Classic but we'll see if that ever pans out.

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I'm using LR Classic on three different computers and because of that keep my LR Library on an external SSD (as my current RAW files) — with this scenario Plug-Ins stay up to date correctly with every computer if keeping the Plug-Ins on the external SSD as well, but sometimes I mistakenly don't have the external SSD plugged in and open LR Classic only to find out that LR Classic can't be opened (because the LR Library files are not available) and when quitting LR Classic, attaching the external SSD and re-opening LR Classic, all Plug-Ins disappear and need to be re-installed.

It's a pain, but best work-a-round for me.

Maybe I could use Dropbox to where to keep Plug-Ins folder so it would be always available, but I've not tried that. Probably could run into problems if Dropbox wouldn't be up-to-date because of no internet connection or something. So it's all compromises.

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Dropbox works well, especially if you do it in the following way: place the folder with the plugins in Dropbox. Then create a symbolic link to this folder in the default location and replace the Modules folder with this link (call the link Modules). There won’t be a problem if you do not have an internet connection, because the Dropbox folder is a local folder (synced with Dropbox), not a network folder.

Johan W. Elzenga,

http://www.johanfoto.com

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Installing plugins on one computer and storing them in Dropbox does depends on an Internet connection to get them into LrC on the other computers since Dropbox needs to sync with its local folder. 
I keep my plugins in a folder on the external drive that goes back and forth between computers. I do have to Add a few plugins again after some updates or moves between computers. I'll try using a symbolic link for that Modules folder.

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1 y ago

Stephen, when you said "LR grays it out often", do you mean that the Flickr publish service is greyed out in the Publish Services panel with the phrase "(missing plug-in)", e.g.



or do you mean something different?  (A screenshot would help.)

When this happens, does the plugin appear in File > Plug-in Manager disabled or does it not appear there at all?  (Either condition would produce the "(missing plug-in)"  message.)  E.g. 



The details matter here, of course -- different symptoms implies different causes.


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The "missing plugin" option on the library page. Sorry, I took a screenshot earlier then neglected to include it.

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"my Mac doesn't have the ~/Library/Application Support/Adobe/Lightroom/Modules folder"

You have to create it yourself.  (One of several reasons I don't tell my plugin customers to use the Modules folder.)

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Stephen, when the "missing plug-in" message appears in Publish Services, is the plugin still listed in File > Plug-in Manager disabled, or has it disappeared entirely from File > Plulg-in Manager?

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It disappears entirely from the Plug-in Manager. I have to re-add it.

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That is strange -- I haven't seen any reports about that behavior before.  Some thoughts:

- Is it possible that there is some process on your machine that is repeatedly restoring old versions of the preferences file? 

- Maybe your preferences are corrupt, so resetting them could be worth trying:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/articles-page/how-do-i-reset-lightrooms-preferences/

(The LR Plug-in Manager stores the list of installed plugins in the preferences file.)